DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[Serendipity]

Andy Redwood is being very clever in my opinion. The crux of Redwoods appeal yesterday is in his wording. As has been pointed out by a few people already, he did not say that possibly Madeleine may no longer be alive, he made the point of saying that she possibly may not have been alive BEFORE she left the apartment

He will know that it takes a minimum of 1.5 hours before cadaver scent develops on a body.  Assuming for a moment that Eddie alerted correctly to a cadaver and again assuming that that cadaver was Madeleine, that would totally throw Gerry's check at 9.10pm out of the window as was pointed out yesterday by others, there just ISN'T enough time between 9.10pm and the 10pm alert by Kate for a body to be detectable by a cadaver dog scent wise!

The purpose of the appeal for Binman/Tractorman is purely to eliminate him from their enquiries. Mr Redwood knows how highly unlikely it is that Binman/tractorman entered the apartment, sat on Madeleine's bed, killed her and then waited around for an hour and a half for cadaver odour to develop before making his escape with her body!

He also knows that Binman/Tractorman died in 2009. http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/191195/novo-suspeito-da-policia-britanica-ja-foi-investigado-pela-pj-e-esta-morto



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[icabodcrane]

A dog who barks when he finds the scent of death,  barked in the apartment where a missing child was last seen

It appears   Scotland Yard feel the need to find an explanation for that

Why  else  would they be saying that Madeleine might have died in apartment 5A  ? 

What,  apart from the cadaver dog's alert,  would lead them to consider that possibility at all  ? 

[Serendipity]

A dog who barks when he finds the scent of death,  barked in the apartment where a missing child was last seen

It appears   Scotland Yard feel the need to find an explanation for that

Why  else  would they be saying that Madeleine might have died in apartment 5A  ? 

What,  apart from the cadaver dog's alert,  would lead them to consider that possibility at all  ?

Nail on proverbal head there Icabod

[icabodcrane]

Andy Redwood is being very clever in my opinion. The crux of Redwoods appeal yesterday is in his wording. As has been pointed out by a few people already, he did not say that possibly Madeleine may no longer be alive, he made the point of saying that she possibly may not have been alive BEFORE she left the apartment

He will know that it takes a minimum of 1.5 hours before cadaver scent develops on a body.  Assuming for a moment that Eddie alerted correctly to a cadaver and again assuming that that cadaver was Madeleine, that would totally throw Gerry's check at 9.10pm out of the window as was pointed out yesterday by others, there just ISN'T enough time between 9.10pm and the 10pm alert by Kate for a body to be detectable by a cadaver dog scent wise!

The purpose of the appeal for Binman/Tractorman is purely to eliminate him from their enquiries. Mr Redwood knows how highly unlikely it is that Binman/tractorman entered the apartment, sat on Madeleine's bed, killed her and then waited around for an hour and a half for cadaver odour to develop before making his escape with her body!

He also knows that Binman/Tractorman died in 2009. http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/191195/novo-suspeito-da-policia-britanica-ja-foi-investigado-pela-pj-e-esta-morto

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I didn't realise that it took some time before cadaver odour was detectable 

Your post is very sensible

I have been struck by the fact that both Crimewatch programmes have released two,  previously unknown facts  ...   that Scotland Yard do not believe Jane Tanner saw Madeleine being abducted  ...  and that Scotland Yard think Madeleine  may have died in apartment 5A

[a.baker]

And not forgetting that they want to identify Smithman. They obviously feel he is crucial to the investigation. The child Smithman was seen carrying appeared not to have been alive. Maybe this is the reason Redwood has admitted that Madeleine may not have left 5a alive. Is it possible that he is FINALLY beginning to join all the dots?

[icabodcrane]

And not forgetting that they want to identify Smithman. They obviously feel he is crucial to the investigation. The child Smithman was seen carrying appeared not to have been alive. Maybe this is the reason Redwood has admitted that Madeleine may not have left 5a alive. Is it possible that he is FINALLY beginning to join all the dots?

What are you talking about  !

Who said that the child the Smith family saw  'appeared not to have been alive'   ?

Certainly not the Smiths 

[pegasus]

What are you talking about  !

Who said that the child the Smith family saw  'appeared not to have been alive'   ?

Certainly not the Smiths

Didn't one of the group state that the eyes were closed?

[icabodcrane]

Didn't one of the group state that the eyes were closed?

What  ?

...  are you  serious  ? 

[a.baker]

No I know the Smiths didn't say so. Am going on assumption that an awake child would have had their arms around the adults neck or shoulders? The childs arms were down by her sides. Likely asleep,drugged or dead. The weather was said to be chilly and windy at 10pm. How likely is it that a child in pj's,no coat or blanket would have stayed asleep in those conditions? Not impossible but not likely either imo.

[pegasus]

"her eyelids were closed"

Source: Statement by PS 26 May 2007

[John]

I didn't realise that it took some time before cadaver odour was detectable 

Your post is very sensible

I have been struck by the fact that both Crimewatch programmes have released two,  previously unknown facts  ...   that Scotland Yard do not believe Jane Tanner saw Madeleine being abducted  ...  and that Scotland Yard think Madeleine  may have died in apartment 5A

I tend to agree Icabodcrane, it's as if he is drip feeding the information into the public domain.

At it stands, Redwood and Scotland Yard...

* Believe the 'abduction' occurred much closer to 10.00pm.

* Believe Jane Tanner's sighting was of an innocent tourist.

* Believe it possible that Madeleine died in the apartment.

[icabodcrane]

No I know the Smiths didn't say so. Am going on assumption that an awake child would have had their arms around the adults neck or shoulders? The childs arms were down by her sides. Likely asleep,drugged or dead. The weather was said to be chilly and windy at 10pm. How likely is it that a child in pj's,no coat or blanket would have stayed asleep in those conditions? Not impossible but not likely either imo.

Blimey  ...  Andy Redwood  opened a can of worms didn't he   ? 

Here we  are,  discussing how a  dead child could be carried through the streets of PDL  ! 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Blimey  ...  Andy Redwood  opened a can of worms didn't he   ? 

Here we  are,  discussing how a  dead child could be carried through the streets of PDL  !

Is that such a new concept? I am sure I have read the suggestion once or twice on this forum.

Even mentioned the possibility myself a few months ago...

If none of the Smith family had any real interaction with Smithman, as we know they didn't, and the child was still and looked as though she was asleep, who's to say whether she was alive or dead?

I always thought it would be a greater risk to carry a living child through the streets, because there would be a risk the child would wake up, make a noise and draw attention to herself.

If a child being carried around were dead, no-one would have any reason to suspect the fact. They would assume she was asleep.

[icabodcrane]

Is that such a new concept? I am sure I have read the suggestion once or twice on this forum.

Well you might have  seen it  raised  by members on the forum before  ...  but you never heard the possibilty  proposed  by Scotland Yard until now  ....    did you  ?

[John]

Well you might have  seen it  raised  by members on the forum before  ...  but you never heard the possibilty  proposed  by Scotland Yard until now  ....    did you  ?

Another Redwood eureka moment?   >@@(*&)