DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[sadie]

SY apparently believe the dogs.

So that's Leics police, the PJ, now SY, all suspecting M died in 5a, but posters here still claim they know better.

If it isn't the dogs that are indicating this scenario, what is??????

You are making massive assumptions there Red.  SY have said they believe Madeklerine might be alive, but they also wonder if she might have died.

Totally different from your embroidered version.

You wouldn't be spinning things, would you Red?

[Albertini]

You are making massive assumptions there Red.  SY have said they believe Madeklerine might be alive, but they also wonder if she might have died.

Totally different from your embroidered version.

You wouldn't be spinning things, would you Red?

But that's exactly what Dave is doing in reverse. I trust you're going to accuse him of the same then?

[Albertini]

I understand what you mean, and I agree.  There's that bit in the middle which is either or.  But you are wasting your time trying to explain to people who simply don't want to know.

The fact that you agree given you're of the same persuasion as Dave is hardly a revelation moment of Redwood proportions. You have however (unlike Dave) admitted a "bit in the middle". Progress at last.

Now you people can try and paint the people involved in this discussion in the childish "goodies and baddies" fashion that so characterises the thought processes of the more rabid McCann supporter but the fact remains Dave made a statement that SY had discounted the dogs findings which to anyone with a modicum of reasonableness could see is patently not true.

The fact that SY stated only last week that Madeleine may have died in 5a means they either believe the dogs findings or are keeping their options open and suggesting they are inconclusive.

Unless SY come and specifically trash Grime and his dogs or unequivocally state Maddie left the apartment alive then it is a fallacy to state with certainty that the Yard have discounted their findings.

[Eleanor]

Of course Scotland Yard have discounted the dogs.  It didn't take them two years to make up their minds about that.

[icabodcrane]

Of course Scotland Yard have discounted the dogs.  It didn't take them two years to make up their minds about that.

If Scotland Yard had discounted the dogs they would have announced   ...   "We have no reason to think Madeleine did not leave the apartment alive"


They did not 

[Albertini]

Of course Scotland Yard have discounted the dogs.  It didn't take them two years to make up their minds about that.

Provide proof of that please to allow you to state it as a certainty.

If you can't then can you acknowledge it's your opinion rather than a statement of fact.

Cheers.

[Serendipity]

Of course Scotland Yard have discounted the dogs.  It didn't take them two years to make up their minds about that.

Can you provide a cite where Andy Redwood catagorically states that the dogs have been discounted please? :)

[sadie]

Can you provide a cite where Andy Redwood catagorically states that the dogs have been discounted please? :)

No need, because THEY understand what the dogs show and what they dont show, unlike quite a few on here.

[Albertini]

Can you provide a cite where Andy Redwood catagorically states that the dogs have been discounted please? :)

Can you provide a cite where AR mentioned them at all?

There isn't one so it can't be stated as a fact they've been discounted, can it?

It's an opinion not a fact.

ETA I wasn't the one claiming as fact something that AR hadn't said. That would be Dave L. Suggest you take it up with him.

[sadie]

I guess they just like pissing the public funded money away on them then?

What a lovely turn of expression buzz 

[Albertini]

No need, because THEY understand what the dogs show and what they dont show, unlike quite a few on here.

How do you know what they understand about them?? Have they told you?

[Serendipity]

No need, because THEY understand what the dogs show and what they dont show, unlike quite a few on here.

Major fail again Sadie then by not being able to provide a cite for your claim.  Oh dear :)  You got one thing right though SY DO indeed understand the dogs 

[Brietta]

Well, for whatever reason you care to imagine,  Scotland Yard have placed a dead Madeleine in the apartment where a cadaver dog alerted

For the first time that possibility has been acknowledged by them 

That is the bald fact

But the point is the stage of the investigation when it has been stated, not as a fact but as a possibility.

We have a fair indication of why NSY said they were not interested in the parents, which IMO is there was no evidence to support it.
They are now looking at a sexual predator and perhaps believe something in his MO is indicative of this new possibility.

There is absolutely no doubt that a VRD alerted in 5a, but there is not a vestige of proof exactly what it was he was alerting to.

[icabodcrane]

But the point is the stage of the investigation when it has been stated, not as a fact but as a possibility.

We have a fair indication of why NSY said they were not interested in the parents, which IMO is there was no evidence to support it.
They are now looking at a sexual predator and perhaps believe something in his MO is indicative of this new possibility.

There is absolutely no doubt that a VRD alerted in 5a, but there is not a vestige of proof exactly what it was he was alerting to.

All of that is speculation

The only thing we   know   ... as  a fact ...  is that Scotland Yard think Madeleine may have died in apartment 5A

How they think she  died, and in what manner,  they have  not  said

[Albertini]

absolutely right..well done..just as having reached a conclusion on the available evidence....if new evidence arises then a new conclusion will be arrived at

Well done, we're getting somewhere.

So by the same token do you accept that AR's earlier pronunciation that the McCann's and the group are not suspects or persons of interest can change at any point in the future on the uncovering of new evidence?