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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2014, 01:26:30 AM »
God strewth, Pathfinder. 

Just think about it.   They must have had a pretty good idea what had happened to Madeleine, even if they were frightened to admit it to themselves.

He and kate would be together, comforting each other, trying to work out what to do, and phoning their loved ones back home for support.  Without any good news, the others would be embarrassed to go in initially imo.


No it's not it's FACTS from witness statements. Kate was alone when Dianne came and alone when Fiona came after at 10.10. Gerry wasn't in 5A comforting Kate. He was somewhere else! So where was he? You've got a child missing now the father is also missing!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2014, 11:43:01 PM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2014, 01:29:36 AM »
That's very interesting pathfinder,  thank you for your research into the tapas group statements

I know that kate says,  in her book,  that Gerry was  'running from pillar to post'  during that time   (  although how she knew that when she was in the apartment the whole time she does not say   )
The apartment includes a balcony with fairly extensive views.  Almost certianly he would keep reporting back.  As Pegasus confirms he was searching the Tapas area after 10pm.

Unless you are now going to change the time that Kate reported back to suit your needs!

Offline sadie

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2014, 01:32:54 AM »
No it's not it facts from witness statements. Kate was alone when Dianne came and alone when Fiona came after at 10.10. Gerry wasn't in 5A comforting Kate. He was somewhere else! So where was he? You've got a child missing now the father is also missing!

He would be in and out.

Think about it.

Anyway he was seen searching soon after 10pm and the Smiths saw Smithman at 10pm.

So sorry, try as you will, you cant poin it on Gerry

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2014, 01:36:19 AM »
He would be in and out.

Think about it.

Anyway he was seen searching soon after 10pm and the Smiths saw Smithman at 10pm.

So sorry, try as you will, you cant poin it on Gerry

10.03
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2014, 01:41:38 AM »
...As Pegasus confirms he was searching the Tapas area after 10pm...
I said witnesses saw GM searching shouting her name at about 10pm.
I did not say tapas area.

icabodcrane

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Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2014, 01:43:21 AM »
The apartment includes a balcony with fairly extensive views.  Almost certianly he would keep reporting back.  As Pegasus confirms he was searching the Tapas area after 10pm.

Unless you are now going to change the time that Kate reported back to suit your needs!

I don't know what that has to do with the question pathfinder has raised 

What witnesses  ...   including his friends   ...  gave statements that verified Gerry McCanns whereabouts for the time period pathfinder has highlighted  ?

There might  BE  witness  statements that do that   ...  I'm just asking  to see them

That's fair I think 

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2014, 01:49:13 AM »
10.03
You say he was seen by Irish family at 10.03pm.
So where does your theory position him at 10.00pm?

icabodcrane

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Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2014, 02:22:18 AM »
You say he was seen by Irish family at 10.03pm.
So where does your theory position him at 10.00pm?

The question pathfinder raised  ...  and it is a fair one  ...  was where was Gerry McCann for the twenty or so minutes  after  the alert was raised

Is there a witness statement that verifies his whereabouts during that period  ? 

There might be ....  but the question has been asked

Can you,  or any member here,  answer it  ? 

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2014, 02:52:45 AM »
The question pathfinder raised  ...  and it is a fair one  ...  was where was Gerry McCann for the twenty or so minutes  after  the alert was raised

Is there a witness statement that verifies his whereabouts during that period  ? 

There might be ....  but the question has been asked

Can you,  or any member here,  answer it  ?

The question I was answering is
...Where is he from 10 to 10.10?...

There are witnesses who saw him searching shouting her name at about 10pm and they spoke with him too.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2014, 02:56:58 AM by pegasus »

icabodcrane

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Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2014, 03:52:12 AM »
The question I was answering is
There are witnesses who saw him searching shouting her name at about 10pm and they spoke with him too.

Well,  cherry-picking which questions to answer is a bit pointless I think

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2014, 04:19:34 AM »
I saw a question by pathfinder and answered it.
The witnesses RB and NB at about 10.00pm saw GM searching and calling her name near the southeast corner of block G6 and they spoke with him.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2014, 04:24:01 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2014, 01:18:49 PM »
After Fiona tells Matt to go and phone the police at 10.10 she goes into 5A and finds Kate alone with the twins. Gerry is not there! He is also missing in the initial first searches:

"Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions." (FP)

5 are out searching from 10 to 10.10 - Fiona, Gerry, David, Russ and Matt

1 Dianne Webster at table/5A

1 Kate in 5A

1 Jane Tanner in her apartment.

1 Rachael Oldfield went to her apartment

Total 9

From the 5 out searching read their rog interviews - none of them remembers seeing Gerry with them in the initial first searches (only Russell see below). After that the other men remember seeing each other but not Gerry. He's disappeared just like his daughter!

1. Nobody saw Gerry at the night crèche.

2. Kate was alone when Dianne Webster came to 5A and when Fiona came after Dianne at 10.10. Gerry wasn't in 5A. So where is he?

This is the one sighting of Gerry from the others at the very start of the first outdoor initial searches. According to Russell, Gerry tells everyone to "Split up and find her!" He is not seen when they reconvene after doing a quick first sweep search - only the other 4 i.e. Fiona, Matt, David and Russell.

"Erm, some people went directly into the flat initially, erm, included, including Gerry and, and Kate, others just stayed at the, at the, at the gate, erm, on the road leading down beside the apartment.  Erm, and you know it was, it was absolute, you know, bedlam, there was panic and, you know, I’m not, the, the order of how things were decided and what, and what we did is, is just a complete blur at this point, but, you know, nonetheless, I think people came back out and then, you know, she’s, she’s certainly not there.  And I recall, certainly me, erm, erm, Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry, just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’.  So everyone did a little bit of a search just in the, in the immediate area and I went along the passageway which was in front of the patio, the patio entrances of, of the apartments, erm, round, all the way along that initially, I think, and unbeknown to me at this point, because we hadn’t really used this entrance a great deal, certainly not walked to the other end of it, it was actually a dead-end, so I then had a look in the, in the front gardens of, of the apartments on the ground floor that you could see, searched a little bit just in between the two apartments and obviously this was a fairly brief search and rapidly doubled back and, erm, you know, the, other people had just came back from the immediate vicinity as well and it was established obviously that no-one had, had found her." (Russell O'Brien Rog Interview)

« Last Edit: March 21, 2014, 01:23:35 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2014, 10:46:28 PM »
As I was saying there is a DCIU report which states at what location two witnesses saw GM at 10pm. But my post disappered. If anyone is interested, ask.   

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2014, 11:19:14 PM »

As I was saying there is a DCIU report which states at what location two witnesses saw GM at 10pm. But my post disappered. If anyone is interested, ask.   

What are their names please?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.