Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?

[pathfinder73]

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10? Read the rog interviews from the others. Fiona was doing first searches with Matt, David and Russ. After telling Matt to call the police she goes to see Kate who is alone in 5A. Gerry has vanished like Madeleine. You don't find that unusual?

[sadie]

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10? Read the rog interviews from the others. Fiona was doing first searches with Matt, David and Russ. After telling Matt to call the police she goes to see Kate who is alone in 5A. Gerry has vanished like Madeleine. You don't find that unusual?

Erm, Pathfinder, I think you will find that one of the tapas waiters saw Gerry searching the Tapas garden area at about that time.

I am sorry but I cant read the statements to give you a cite.   But I feel sure that someone else will find it

[pathfinder73]

Was he on his own? Matt & David were searching the tapas area and pool. Funny how none of the others in the group saw him. Read the rog interviews.

"I then at some stage went back to see Dianne and say look can you just leave the table, just go back to the apartment and then I had the sweep around the swimming pool where the, err the kiddies pool is."
"I say we spoke, me, Matt and Russell, right come on we've got to have a bit more structure to this, err you know, I'll, I'll you know so he went off down to the Police Station." (DP)

[pegasus]

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10? Read the rog interviews from the others. Fiona was doing first searches with Matt, David and Russ. After telling Matt to call the police she goes to see Kate who is alone in 5A. Gerry has vanished like Madeleine. You don't find that unusual?

The various 2007 statements of all 5 have little search route information IMO because the PJ did not specifically ask.
The 2008 statements (of only 4 of the 5) have lots of search route information IMO because the PJ now did ask.
 

[sadie]

Was he on his own? Matt & David were searching the tapas area and pool.

"I then at some stage went back to see Dianne and say look can you just leave the table, just go back to the apartment and then I had the sweep around the swimming pool where the, err the kiddies pool is."
"I say we spoke, me, Matt and Russell, right come on we've got to have a bit more structure to this, err you know, I'll, I'll you know so he went off down to the Police Station." (DP)

I bet everywhere was searched by everyone ! They were in such a panic

I feel, pretty sure that Gerry was searching the tapas area, tennis courts and pool.  Maybe someone can confirm

Twas in one of the waiters or restaurant workers testimony.

[sadie]

Was he on his own? Matt & David were searching the tapas area and pool. Funny how none of the others in the group saw him. Read the rog interviews.

"I then at some stage went back to see Dianne and say look can you just leave the table, just go back to the apartment and then I had the sweep around the swimming pool where the, err the kiddies pool is."
"I say we spoke, me, Matt and Russell, right come on we've got to have a bit more structure to this, err you know, I'll, I'll you know so he went off down to the Police Station." (DP)

Yep, IIRC he was on his own.

[pathfinder73]

None of the men in the tapas group can confirm where he was? There are contradictions In the tapas staff statements - one said they saw Gerry others say it was Matt and David. I would go with the group who were out in the initial searches and know Gerry not one waiter.

5 are out searching from 10 to 10.10 - Fiona, Gerry, David, Russ and Matt

1 Dianne Webster at table

1 Kate in 5A

1 Jane Tanner in her apartment.

1 Rachael Oldfield went to her apartment

Total 9

From the 5 out searching read their rog interviews - none of them remembers seeing Gerry with them in the initial first searches. All the other men remember seeing each other but not Gerry. He's disappeared just like his daughter!

[sadie]

None of the men in the tapas group can confirm where he was? There are contradictions In the tapas staff statements - one said they saw Gerry others say it was Matt and David. I would go with the group who were out in the initial searches and know Gerry not one waiter.

5 are out searching from 10 to 10.10 - Fiona, Gerry, David, Russ and Matt

1 Dianne at table

1 Kate in 5A

1 Jane Tanner in her apartment.

1 Rachael Oldfield went to her apartment

Total 9

From the 5 out searching read their rog interviews - none of them remembers seeing Gerry with them in the initial first searches. All the other men remember seeing each other but not Gerry. He's disappeared just like his daughter!

I think that you are not taking account of the panic they were in. 

My bet is that every one of them checked the pool,area and the tapas garden cos they knew Madeleine was familiar with it.  Also the climbing frame and kiddies stuff was there.... and familiar people such as the restaurant staff. 

[pathfinder73]

The various 2007 statements of all 5 have little search route information IMO because the PJ did not specifically ask.
The 2008 statements (of only 4 of the 5) have lots of search route information IMO because the PJ now did ask.
 

And you will never get the information from the missing 5th one.

[icabodcrane]

None of the men in the tapas group can confirm where he was? There are contradictions In the tapas staff statements - one said they saw Gerry others say it was Matt and David. I would go with the group who were out in the initial searches and know Gerry not one waiter.

5 are out searching from 10 to 10.10 - Fiona, Gerry, David, Russ and Matt

1 Dianne Webster at table

1 Kate in 5A

1 Jane Tanner in her apartment.

1 Rachael Oldfield went to her apartment

Total 9

From the 5 out searching read their rog interviews - none of them remembers seeing Gerry with them in the initial first searches. All the other men remember seeing each other but not Gerry. He's disappeared just like his daughter!

That's very interesting pathfinder,  thank you for your research into the tapas group statements

I know that kate says,  in her book,  that Gerry was  'running from pillar to post'  during that time   (  although how she knew that when she was in the apartment the whole time she does not say   ) 

[pathfinder73]

I think that you are not taking account of the panic they were in. 

My bet is that every one of them checked the pool,area and the tapas garden cos they knew Madeleine was familiar with it.  Also the climbing frame and kiddies stuff was there.... and familiar people such as the restaurant staff. 

What you're missing is after doing an initial sweep they all quickly met up again i.e. Fiona, Matt, Russ and David. The only one missing was Gerry! They never saw him again until at least 15/20 minutes later when he went with John Hill to call the police at 10.40.

[pegasus]

GM was seen by witnesses searching shouting her name at about 10pm.

[icabodcrane]

What you're missing is after doing an initial sweep they all quickly met up again i.e. Fiona, Matt, Russ and David. The only one missing was Gerry! They never saw him again until at least 15/20 minutes later when he went with John Hill to call the police at 10.40.

Kate did say,  in her book,  that during the period you refer to,    Gerry   (  as part of his lone searching  ) went to the night creche above the main reception to see if Madeleine had been left there

Is there anything in the statements that verifies that  ?   ...  did any of the staff at the night creche say Gerry came there asking questions that night  ?   

[pathfinder73]

Kate did say,  in her book,  that during the period you refer to,    Gerry   (  as part of his lone searching  ) went to the night creche above the main reception to see if Madeleine had been left there

Is there anything in the statements that verifies that  ?   ...  did any of the staff at the night creche say Gerry came there asking questions that night  ?   

Nobody saw Gerry at the crèche. He went by there to go up the path to come out at Murat's. Where was he before the crèche - follow that road straight down - where does it lead to?

[sadie]

What you're missing is after doing an initial sweep they all quickly met up again i.e. Fiona, Matt, Russ and David. The only one missing was Gerry! They never saw him again until at least 15/20 minutes later when he went with John Hill to call the police at 10.40.

God strewth, Pathfinder. 

Just think about it.   They must have had a pretty good idea what had happened to Madeleine, even if they were frightened to admit it to themselves.

He and kate would be together, comforting each other, trying to work out what to do, and phoning their loved ones back home for support.  Without any good news, the others would be embarrassed to go in initially imo.