Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?

[John]

Didn't he go outside to inspect the well discussed but not so 'jemmied' shutter after the alert was raised shortly after 10pm.  He then went off through the club grounds to search and alert people.

[icabodcrane]

At 10.30 he was outside the apartment because the upstairs neighbour.  Mrs Fenn,   remembers asking him if he wanted her to call the police 

That is one  definate sighting of Gerry McCann after Madeleine was reported missing

It's  half an hour later though 

...  anyone know of other confirmed sightings of Gerry earlier than that  ? 

[Benice]

The question pathfinder raised  ...  and it is a fair one  ...  was where was Gerry McCann for the twenty or so minutes  after  the alert was raised

Is there a witness statement that verifies his whereabouts during that period  ? 

There might be ....  but the question has been asked

Can you,  or any member here,  answer it  ?

There is at least one OC employee who saw him searching near the pool area.  If I get time I'll look for the statement.       We should not assume that only the people who gave statements saw him.    People were turning up all the time, and not all have them will have necessarily given statements.

I cannot possibly conceive that Gerry had a plan to dispose of Madeleine's body after the alert had been raised. (If that is what you are inferring).    How could he possibly know in advance how quickly the police would arrive, or guarantee that someone outside the group wouldn't  ring them immediately the alarm was raised.     The Police could have been 5 minutes away for all he knew.    He couldn't see into the future.

[pathfinder73]

Didn't he go outside to inspect the well discussed but not so 'jemmied' shutter after the alert was raised shortly after 10pm.  He then went off through the club grounds to search and alert people.

No Dianne Webster did that when she came round after Kate told her.

[pegasus]

What are their names please?

The witness names are Berry and Balu, it also requires reading a report by a British analyst, I can find the page number if required

[pathfinder73]

I saw a question by pathfinder and answered it.
The witnesses RB and NB at about 10.00pm saw GM searching and calling her name near the southeast corner of block G6 and they spoke with him.

Please show me this in the files? Raj Balu and Neil Berry first statements are missing.

"From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added." (NB)

"After 22:00 we were still sitting on the veranda in the Berry apartment. We heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches. I cannot add any more details save those which have already been given in this testimony." (RB)

From the missing statements rumoured that Birch somehow got - Berry and Balu spot GM near to Murat's at 10.10/15 not 10pm.

[pathfinder73]

The witness names are Berry and Balu, it also requires reading a report by a British analyst, I can find the page number if required

Yes please Pegasus. Page number?

[pegasus]

Please show me this in the files? Raj Balu and Neil Berry first statements are missing.

"From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added." (NB)

"After 22:00 we were still sitting on the veranda in the Berry apartment. We heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches. I cannot add any more details save those which have already been given in this testimony." (RB)

From the missing statements rumoured that Birch somehow got - Berry and Balu spot GM near to Murat's at 10.10/15 not 10pm.

"We heard noises downstairs"
The noise they heard from 606 balcony was definitely GM shouting the girl's name. I am not making it up, it is in the report written by a British Analyst from the Criminal Investigation Unit who was working with the PJ and had access to all the statements, would you like me to dig out the page reference?

[pathfinder73]

Yes I know but how was this at 10pm? Where does it say 10pm. Balu's statement says after 22.00.

I found this in the final report:

"pages 31 and 32

Still on Appendix VI, pages 504 and in the following, it was investigated a situation relative to two individuals, NEIL BERRY and RAJINDER BALU (complementary inquests requested in the letter rogatory), specifically relative with the first one, whose information was crossed with the above aforementioned witness, TASMIN SILENCE, namely to what concerns the photo-fit, having this one made clear that it was not that same individual.

This occurrence was targeted due to an information given by an employee of the resort, pages 504 and 505 of the Appendix VI, where a somewhat peculiar situation was reported, supposedly to do with NEIL BERRY. However, in spite of the diligences done, inclusive in the letter rogatory, nothing was established that connected him to the disappearance of the British child."

[pegasus]

Yes please Pegasus. Page number?

Here is the report by a British analyst www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm which identifies that it was GM searching and shouting the child's name which the people on a balcony (southeast corner of block G6) heard below.

[Sherlock Holmes]

There is at least one OC employee who saw him searching near the pool area.  If I get time I'll look for the statement.       We should not assume that only the people who gave statements saw him.    People were turning up all the time, and not all have them will have necessarily given statements.

I cannot possibly conceive that Gerry had a plan to dispose of Madeleine's body after the alert had been raised. (If that is what you are inferring).    How could he possibly know in advance how quickly the police would arrive, or guarantee that someone outside the group wouldn't  ring them immediately the alarm was raised.     The Police could have been 5 minutes away for all he knew.    He couldn't see into the future.

No, it makes no sense whatsoever.

[pathfinder73]

It does when you needed the tapas bar as the alibi.

[pathfinder73]

Here is the report by a British analyst www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm which identifies that it was GM searching and shouting the child's name which the people on a balcony (southeast corner of block G6) heard below.

Control Risk T9 statements are in that report. No wonder it has 22.00 as the time when Kate left the table to go and check LOL.

"Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search."

As I've said this is rumoured to be at 10.15 but I can't confirm because their first statements are missing from the files. Ask Birch because he claims to know. Thanks.

[pathfinder73]

"That Gerry McCann had been seen less than 20 meters from Robert Murat’s backyard at 10.15 pm on the night in question by Neil Berry and Rajh Balu who were sat on the balcony of their holiday apartment."

from here: http://chrisspivey.org/digging-for-madeleine/

[pathfinder73]

Any evidence of Gerry's whereabouts at 10 to 10.10?  Forget Berry/Baju said AFTER 10pm which is rather vague and doesn't mean 10pm.