Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?

[pegasus]

Obviously "after 10.00" may include the period 10.00 to 10.10.
GM was definitely the very first searcher the witnesses heard and saw from that upstairsbalcony.
Do you know where the balcony is?
It is clear that the time elapsed from alarm until a searcher looks and shouts along this pathway through a carpark  under that balcony would be few minutes at most IMO.

[ferryman]

If Gerry was anywhere other than in the tapas restaurant, where is the commentary from the files of efforts to find him to tell him what happened?

Or did Joao Carlos call it right in his report to state that Gerry was in the tapas restaurant?

[Anna]

Since Diane was still there it must have been after ten and before 10.10 pm because she didnt leave until 10.05/10pm
also Gerry had searched the Apt before going for help
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On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues—Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: “They’ve left you alone?” She responded more of less with these words: “No, they went to see if the little girl was there.” I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine’s father, running to the pool and to the children’s play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post176.html#p176

[sadie]

No Dianne Webster did that when she came round after Kate told her.

And how many other people, do you think pathfinder?

Are you suggesting that Gerry, or anyone else,  never even went outside to examine the shutter?

Come on pathfinder, to say that is a joke !




Just cos tiny details dont appear in their statements doesn't mean they didn't happen.  Common sense tells you they did.

[pathfinder73]

And how many other people, do you think pathfinder?

Are you suggesting that Gerry, or anyone else,  never even went outside to examine the shutter?

Come on pathfinder, to say that is a joke !

Just cos tiny details dont appear in their statements doesn't mean they didn't happen.  Common sense tells you they did.

Sadie,

Kate asked Dianne to look at the shutters. Read her statement. When she arrived Kate was alone. Gerry was out searching with the others not examining shutters. He already broke the shutters when they first arrived. Not the best person to be examining them LOL.

The only joke here is you not offering FACTS?

[pathfinder73]

Since Diane was still there it must have been after ten and before 10.10 pm because she didnt leave until 10.05/10pm
also Gerry had searched the Apt before going for help
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues—Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: “They’ve left you alone?” She responded more of less with these words: “No, they went to see if the little girl was there.” I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine’s father, running to the pool and to the children’s play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post176.html#p176

Thank you Anna. I think this is the only independent sighing of Gerry in the files (until the rumoured 10.15 Berry/Balu sighting) from when the alarm is raised by Kate at 9.55. He said he saw him before 22H00 but I don't understand the 21H30 estimate but many of these statements are similar in regards to estimate times.

9.55 Alarm - they go to 5A.

9.57 They leave 5A and start searching.

Is Gerry now seen or is that witness confused as other tapas staff witnesses claim Matt and David were seen checking the tapas zone. David being there is confirmed by Dianne Webster. David told her she could leave the table. So was it Gerry or was it Matt or were all 3 seen there?

What time would this sighting be? Well Dianne arrived at 5A around 5 minutes after the 9.55 alarm. So if these men are seen searching the tapas area it was before David told Dianne to leave. So they were checking there just before 10pm. Estimate 9.57-10pm.

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10?

[Anna]

Thank you Anna. I think this is the only independent sighing of Gerry in the files (until the rumoured 10.15 Berry/Balu sighting) from when the alarm is raised by Kate at 9.55. He said he saw him before 22H00 but I don't understand the 21H30 estimate but many of these statements are similar in regards to estimate times.

9.55 Alarm - they go to 5A.

9.57 They leave 5A and start searching.

Is Gerry now seen or is that witness confused as other tapas staff witnesses claim Matt and David were seen checking the tapas zone. David being there is confirmed by Dianne Webster. David told her she could leave the table. So was it Gerry or was it Matt or were all 3 seen there?

What time would this sighting be? Well Dianne arrived at 5A around 5 minutes after the 9.55 alarm. So if these men are seen searching the tapas area it was before David told Dianne to leave. So they were checking there just before 10pm. Estimate 9.57-10pm.

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10?

I believe after Gerry left the Tapas bar followed by everyone there except Diane, he searched the apartment and then went to reception to inform police. This must be when he had a quick look around I don't think he was with anyone, but could be wrong.

[sadie]

Thank you Anna. I think this is the only independent sighing of Gerry in the files (until the rumoured 10.15 Berry/Balu sighting) from when the alarm is raised by Kate at 9.55. He said he saw him before 22H00 but I don't understand the 21H30 estimate but many of these statements are similar in regards to estimate times.

9.55 Alarm - they go to 5A.

9.57 They leave 5A and start searching.

Is Gerry now seen or is that witness confused as other tapas staff witnesses claim Matt and David were seen checking the tapas zone. David being there is confirmed by Dianne Webster. David told her she could leave the table. So was it Gerry or was it Matt or were all 3 seen there?

What time would this sighting be? Well Dianne arrived at 5A around 5 minutes after the 9.55 alarm. So if these men are seen searching the tapas area it was before David told Dianne to leave. So they were checking there just before 10pm. Estimate 9.57-10pm.

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10?

Where do you get alarm being raised at 9.55 from?  Source please.



http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t584-what-time-was-the-alarm-raised

  justagrannynow 1 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:26 pm

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The Tapas group all say Kate left the table at 10pm to do her check. She had to walk to the apartment where she says she found Madeleine missing. She did a search of the apartment before returning to the Tapas Bar to raise the alarm, so we can conclude that, according to the parents and their friends, the alarm was raised a few minutes after 10pm. Although not all of them had their watches on, according to Clarence Mitchell, not one of them puts Kate returning before 10pm,.
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Barman Jeronimo Rodrigues Salcedas made two statements to the police. In his first statement of the 6th May he says that around 10.20 to 10.30pm he noticed Diane Webster sitting at the table on her own. Gerry McCann was searching the bushes around the pool area. However, when interviewed by Leicestershire Police on the 23rd April 2008, he describes the same scenario but places the time at 21.30 to 22.00hrs. Why was this witness interviewed twice? Was it to check his timings, given the statements of other witnesses, or was it to confirm that Gerry McCann was searching the bushes around the pool area? Why would Gerry McCann be doing this?

I think we know that Diane Webster left the tapas at about 10.05 -10.10. 
Seems from the discrepancies in the statements that Jeronimo saw Gerry searching but that he is not very good with times.  He has two sets of times,
10.20 to 10.30pm
21.30 to 22.00hrs.
So just when was Gerry searching?  From this we dont know.

Even if Madeleine had woke and wandered, she could not have accessed the Ocean Complex without a swipe card to open the door between Reception and the pool area.

Is that information correct, or is it myth?   No swipe card was needed when I was there.  Both entrance and exit were wide open and inviting.  We walked straight thru and had a meal in the tapas outdoor restaurant.  Nobody on duty in the tapas reception either.  Neither in, nor out.  This was in high season, mid summer 2010

[pathfinder73]

I believe after Gerry left the Tapas bar followed by everyone there except Diane, he searched the apartment and then went to reception to inform police. This must be when he had a quick look around I don't think he was with anyone, but could be wrong.

Nope Gerry never went to call the police until John Hill arrived. John Hill wasn't informed about the disappearance until 10.28.

"Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007." (John Hill Statement)

Matt went at 10.10 and was told by Fiona Payne to go. The McCann's were not involved. Fiona asked Matt to go on her own accord. It had nothing to do with Kate or Gerry. 

First searches start just before 10pm, when they reconvene 10 minutes later Gerry is missing. Only Fiona, Matt, Russ and David meet up again. Fiona asks Matt to go and phone the police and then she goes to 5A and finds Kate alone. So from 10 to 10.10 Gerry is missing?

[Anna]

Nope Gerry never went to call the police until John Hill arrived. John Hill wasn't informed about the disappearance until 10.28.

Matt went at 10.10 and was told by Fiona Payne to go. The McCann's were not involved. Fiona asked Matt to go on her own accord. It had nothing to do with Kate or Gerry. 

First searches start just before 10pm, when they reconvene 10 minutes later Gerry is missing. Only Fiona, Matt, Russ and David meet up again. Fiona asks Matt to go and phone the police and then Kate goes to 5A where she finds Kate alone. So from 10 to 10.10 Gerry is missing?

Gerry searched the apartment before he done anything else.

Amy Tierney Creche worker
THE WINDOW AND BLIND Were OPEN.
The witness confirms that the girl’s father went to the reception to call the police as soon as her disappearance was noticed and that twenty minutes had passed. The GNR took 30 – 35 minutes to arrive.}
( I think the 20 minutes passed ,was the reception waiting time before calling police)
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post27240.html#p27240

[pathfinder73]

[Where do you get alarm being raised at 9.55 from?  Source please.]

Sadie, Please read the rog interviews. It is clear Matt said 9.50 Kate left to check. Russ was back about 5 minutes before Kate left he said. Russ got back to the table at 9.45 according to him. Fiona said Kate left 9.45 to 10pm. They all say she wasn't gone long so my estimate time is 9.55 for Kate running back and raising the alarm.

[Anna]

[Where do you get alarm being raised at 9.55 from?  Source please.]

Sadie, Please read the rog interviews. It is clear Matt said 9.50 Kate left to check. Russ was back about 5 minutes before Kate left he said. Russ got back to the table at 9.45 according to him. Fiona said Kate left 9.45 to 10pm. They all say she wasn't gone long so my estimate time is 9.55 for Kate running back and raising the alarm.

Gerry's statement
The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry searched the apartment before he done anything else.

Amy Tierney Creche worker
THE WINDOW AND BLIND Were OPEN.
The witness confirms that the girl’s father went to the reception to call the police as soon as her disappearance was noticed and that twenty minutes had passed. The GNR took 30 – 35 minutes to arrive.}
( I think the 20 minutes passed ,was the reception waiting time before calling police)
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post27240.html#p27240

Gerry went with John Hill to reception to call the police. Time is not until 10.41pm. That is FACT! GNR arrive 20 minutes later at around 11pm. This has nothing to do with where Gerry was between 10 to 10.10?

[pathfinder73]

Gerry's statement
The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up.

He actually said Kate left the table to check at 10.03 an exact time aka the Columbo mistake

[Anna]

Gerry went with John Hill to reception to call the police. Time is not until 10.41pm. This is FACT! GNR arrive 20 minutes later at around 11pm. This has nothing to do with where Gerry was between 10 to 10.10?

[/b]

Well it does if he was reporting the disappearance at that time.
The waiter and Matthew also reported it, just after 10pm, so why was nothing done and Gerry, Matthew not mentioned by reception?