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Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #225 on: March 28, 2014, 12:01:32 AM »
Yes how far away is 5A from the entrance  @)(++(* Only one was missing!
Do you ask the distance to walk from 5A garden gate, to entry of the carpark opposite tapas reception building?
About 22 metres.



Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #226 on: March 28, 2014, 12:14:24 AM »
Do you ask the distance to walk from 5A garden gate, to entry of the carpark opposite tapas reception building?
About 22 metres.




Why did all the other 4 reconvene and Gerry was the only one missing? There were 5 to start with and only 4 reconvene. If he was only 20 metres away in the car park then how come none of them saw him there? I think you can see somebody only 20 metres away don't you?  The simple explanation is that he was further away from 5A than the others and that's why he was the only one missing.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #227 on: March 28, 2014, 12:31:05 AM »
Why did all the other 4 reconvene and Gerry was the only one missing? There were 5 to start with and only 4 reconvene. If he was only 20 metres away in the car park then how come none of them saw him there? I think you can see somebody only 20 metres away don't you?  The simple explanation is that he was further away from 5A than the others and that's why he was the only one missing.
To walk from 5A garden gate to entry of that carpark is about 22 metres.
The entry of that carpark is visible from 5A garden gate.
The majority of that carpark is not visible from 5A garden gate.
Google maps and Bing maps both sites have good aerial view IMO.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #228 on: March 28, 2014, 12:37:34 AM »
To walk from 5A garden gate to entry of that carpark is about 22 metres.
The entry of that carpark is visible from 5A garden gate.
The majority of that carpark is not visible from 5A garden gate.
Google maps and Bing maps both sites have good aerial view IMO.

They were coming back up from the supermarket, tennis courts etc. They would be passing that car park to get back to 5A. If Gerry was there they would have seen him.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #229 on: March 28, 2014, 01:10:59 AM »
  @)(++(* Only one was missing!
What about "Gerry had come down at that point" ?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #230 on: March 28, 2014, 01:15:08 AM »
Who said that? Matt?
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 01:22:17 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #231 on: March 28, 2014, 01:22:02 AM »
Emma Knight was present when Gerry came in. Emma arrived 5A at around 10.20 and Gerry wasn't there only Fiona and Kate. But he came in when she was there.

"At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.

 The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open.

 A short while later, Gerry returned to the apartment accompanied by Russell. They also entered by the patio doors." (Emma Knight statement)

It may be best reading the full statement.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 01:28:35 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #232 on: March 29, 2014, 10:21:52 PM »
Who said that? Matt?
It is in FP's 2008 statement.
"And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine.  Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’.  Erm, and I, I don’t know what Matt, erm, I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point.  I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’.  Gerry had come down at that point." 

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #233 on: March 29, 2014, 10:43:14 PM »
It is in FP's 2008 statement.
"And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine.  Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’.  Erm, and I, I don’t know what Matt, erm, I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point.  I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’.  Gerry had come down at that point." 


'What did you see when you walked in, describe it''
 
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 Fiona Payne: 'At that point, Gerry, I don't think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she's got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened. And by that point Kate was already saying that the, what she'd found when she'd gone back, which was that the, she'd found the window open and the shutter open and she was convinced at that point that somebody had taken, taken Madeleine and that's what she was telling me and I was like 'They can't have done. They can't have done this', you know. And I looked,  erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere,Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd. Erm, we were trying to ascertain whether Madeleine could have got out, and I've already said earlier the shutters were very heavy, and I was almost trying to convince Kate that she could have opened the shutter and climbed out, although knowing that wasn't a likely thing, but at that point we were just trying to pacify Kate in that Madeleine was going to be alright. Erm, and I, I think I touched the webbing in that room, but because Sean and Amelie were asleep, I didn't actually open the shutter in that room, we went, I went to the front of the house and I was trying to lift the shutter at the, at the back, just to prove whether, you know, whether it could have been opened and whether Madeleine could have opened it from the inside'.


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Fiona Payne  'I mean, it was fairly obviously, I think, that that wasn't what had happened and what could have happened'.
 
 
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 11:10:48 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #234 on: March 29, 2014, 10:54:22 PM »
Quote from: pegasus
I already posted, from the files, a British CIU analyst on Mr Amarals team stating clearly it was GM whom the witnesses heard and saw searching and shouting the childs name.


What is the name of this British analyst?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #235 on: March 29, 2014, 11:29:48 PM »
What is the name of this British analyst?
IIRC analyst name may be written at the end of the report?
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm‎


Offline sadie

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #236 on: March 29, 2014, 11:58:08 PM »
They were coming back up from the supermarket, tennis courts etc. They would be passing that car park to get back to 5A. If Gerry was there they would have seen him.

Gerry was about 60 metres away from 5A gate.  In other words at least 38 metres into that car park.  With the balcony being so big and rounded he could even have been standing at the junction of the car park with the alleyway and out of sight to them as they walked up in the dark on the western side of the pavement.  If he were there he would have been about 52 metres away from them as they walked up.

What you are all forgetting is that just half a minute difference in time between Gerry talking to RaJ and Neil from the time the group walked up the road ... and no chance they would have seen him. 

Gerry was only metres away from the labyrinth of hidden alleyways, zero to 8 metres away in fact = less than 10 seconds?  So could have gone in the blink of an eyelid almost.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #237 on: March 30, 2014, 12:13:55 AM »
IIRC analyst name may be written at the end of the report?
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm‎



Thanks but that link is dead?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #238 on: March 30, 2014, 12:14:33 AM »


 

Gerry was only metres away from the labyrinth of hidden alleyways, zero to 8 metres away in fact = less than 10 seconds?  So could have gone in the blink of an eyelid almost.

"... the labyrinth of hidden alleyways"   ...   ? 

This was a holiday resort in the sleepy end of Portugal's Algarve  ...  you make it sound like Marrakech  !   

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #239 on: March 30, 2014, 12:21:55 AM »
Gerry was about 60 metres away from 5A gate.  In other words at least 38 metres into that car park.  With the balcony being so big and rounded he could even have been standing at the junction of the car park with the alleyway and out of sight to them as they walked up in the dark on the western side of the pavement.  If he were there he would have been about 52 metres away from them as they walked up.

What you are all forgetting is that just half a minute difference in time between Gerry talking to RaJ and Neil from the time the group walked up the road ... and no chance they would have seen him. 

Gerry was only metres away from the labyrinth of hidden alleyways, zero to 8 metres away in fact = less than 10 seconds?  So could have gone in the blink of an eyelid almost.

Sadie, if you want to do some real detective work then go to:

http://chrisspivey.org/digging-for-madeleine/

Contact Chris and ask him who is the source of the 10.15pm time and where did he get it because their first statements are missing from the files?

• That Gerry McCann had been seen less than 20 meters from Robert Murat’s backyard at 10.15 pm on the night in question by Neil Berry and Raj Balu who were sat on the balcony of their holiday apartment.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2014, 12:26:29 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.