Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?

[pegasus]

Sadie, if you want to do some real detective work then go to:

http://chrisspivey.org/digging-for-madeleine/

Contact Chris and ask him who is the source of the 10.15pm time and where did he get it?

• That Gerry McCann had been seen less than 20 meters from Robert Murat’s backyard at 10.15 pm on the night in question by Neil Berry and Raj Balu who were sat on the balcony of their holiday apartment.

I've already pointed out that it is physically impossible from that balcony to see any point "less than 20 metres" from that garden. There is a huge building preventing this. You have access to mapping sites which have scales on.....

[pathfinder73]

I've already pointed out that it is physically impossible from that balcony to see any point "less than 20 metres" from that garden. There is a huge building preventing this. You have access to mapping sites which have scales on.....

Can he be seen coming up the path towards Murat's because that is where he would be coming from - he would be on the path i.e. north exit Murat's or west exit balcony/carpark?

[sadie]

"... the labyrinth of hidden alleyways"   ...   ? 

This was a holiday resort in the sleepy end of Portugal's Algarve  ...  you make it sound like Marrakech  !

Marakesh is very special and its labyrinths are largely indoors, intersrting and exciting, and very busy.  In OC it is a different sort of Labyrinth, but believe me there is a one; lots of interlinking alleyways, but very quiet ones and open air rather than enclosed.  Maybe they are busier at the times for taking little one to the creche, but when we walked along them we never saw a single person.  Mid summer 2010

[pegasus]

Can he be seen coming up the path towards Murat's because that is where he would be coming from - he would be on the path i.e. north exit Murat's or west exit balcony/carpark?

Here is a map showing all the places and paths you are taliking about - 5A, the block 6 balcony where the witnesses were, the paths, including the path you ask about.
If you don't know exactly where any of those things are, please ask.
Trust your own measurements using the scale and assess whether your source is veracious or . .... .. ....???
http://binged.it/1hM0Cil

[pegasus]

Also note that GM was at 5A, when FP told MO to go call police.
Source = FP rog statement 2008

[pathfinder73]

Your perseverance is admirable but your logic is not. If Gerry was around at that point then he would've went to call the police not Matt who didn't see him again until much later. It was Gerry's daughter who had gone missing not Matt's. If Gerry was present then he would've went! Somebody talking in general terms is not the same when you say now let's go into proper details and then Fiona says Gerry wasn't in the apartment when I first came in. Emma arrived 10 minutes later and Gerry wasn't there. None of the men saw Gerry until later and only 4 reconvened after the initial searches.

Dianne was first looking at the shutters and then Fiona was trying to lift them from the outside when she was there. No mention of Gerry being there or examining them already from Kate (that came later as a good alibi for Smith's sighting). You mean Gerry was letting the women struggle with examining and lifting heavy shutters if he was there? I don't bloody well think so. Kate was alone and Gerry was out searching.

[Wonderfulspam]

Your perseverance is admirable but your logic is not. If Gerry was around at that point then he would've went to call the police not Matt who didn't see him again until much later. It was Gerry's daughter who had gone missing not Matt's. If Gerry was present then he would've went! Somebody talking in general terms is not the same when you say now let's go into proper details and then Fiona says Gerry wasn't in the apartment when I first came in. Emma arrived 10 minutes later and Gerry wasn't there. None of the men saw Gerry until later at 5A. And only 4 reconvened after the initial searches.

All the evidence points one way IMO.

[pathfinder73]

  Murat's driveway - I will have to ask super detective Birch where he got that 10.15 time from?

[pathfinder73]

I've emailed Chris so hopefully I will get a response about the source of this 10.15 pm sighting.

[pegasus]

If Gerry was around at that point then he would've went to call the police not Matt

That's your conjecture, which IMO doesn't make sense behaviourally, and which anyway is totally disproven by the fact he was around. FP states that GM came down from 5A at that point.
 

[pathfinder73]

No general talk doesn't = detailed facts. Come down where ? How come nobody saw him there then. Matt, Russ and Dave only saw each other. So how do you explain they didn't see Gerry? First we hear of Gerry being spotted in 5A is when Emma was there and he wasn't there when she arrived at 10.20. Only Kate and Fiona were in 5A.

[pegasus]

No general talk doesn't = detailed facts. Come down where ? How come nobody saw him there then. Matt, Russ and Dave only saw each other. So how do you explain they didn't see Gerry? First we hear of Gerry being spotted in 5A is when Emma was there and he wasn't there when she arrived at 10.20. Only Kate and Fiona were in 5A.

FP said (in rog statement 2008):
"And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine.  Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’.  Erm, and I, I don’t know what Matt, erm, I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point.  I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’.  Gerry had come down at that point." 
IMO it is obvious what "had come down at that point" means.
Had you read this part of FP rog before you claimed that GM was not there at this point?

[pathfinder73]

"I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’.  Gerry had come down at that point."

Gerry had come in 5A when Fiona was in there with Kate. Emma confirmed that but when going into further details Fiona admitted that Gerry wasn't there when she first went into 5A.

"I said I'm going up" - Yes Fiona saying it to Matt who would've seen Gerry if he was there and he would've phoned the police for his missing daughter not Matt.

SY will be clearing this all up and we will see where Gerry was from 10 to 10.10.

[pegasus]

...when going into further details Fiona admitted that Gerry wasn't there when she first went into 5A....

FP says that GM came down from the apartment just before FP went up to the apartment.

[pathfinder73]

I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’

Who was Fiona saying this to?