Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?

[pegasus]

I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’

Who was Fiona saying this to?

You can read that she does not state exactly to which persons she was saying that.
I gave you the source which says GM had just come down at that point.
If you want to read that as general talk stating that GM did not come down from the apartment at that point in time, that's your choice.

[pegasus]

...I will have to ask super detective Birch where he got that 10.15 time from?

You will certainly find he had no access to unpublished statements.
It would be ironic if (and this is my prediction) he estimated 10.15 based on that exact part of FP's statement which you dismiss.

[sadie]

Here is a map showing all the places and paths you are taliking about - 5A, the block 6 balcony where the witnesses were, the paths, including the path you ask about.
If you don't know exactly where any of those things are, please ask.
Trust your own measurements using the scale and assess whether your source is veracious or . .... .. ....???
http://binged.it/1hM0Cil

Why have you changed from GEarth to Bing Pegasus?  The image on Bing was taken at a time that the alleyways were very overgrown and some cannot be made out; they are hidden by undergrowth.

You usually use google.  Could you pease use Google Earth for the same area, from 2007 and show that, cos the bing map image was taken at a time when the paths were seriously overgrown and some are hidden by undergrowth almost completely. 

In the immediate area, there are two main alleyways going NNW to SSE and three main alleyways joining the two and going in a SW to NE direction .

Rua  Dr Francisco Gentil Martins (Rua FGM) is the main drag where all the toing and froing happened at meal time when checking the kids. 
There are three accesses from the more westerly alleyway onto Rua FGM.. 
The most southerly of these is at the back of Fazackerleys house (number 35 Rua FGM),
The middle one is to the front of his house. 
The most northerly one is where Gerry was talking to Raj and Neil and opposite the reception to the tapas area.  It opens onto the area where i believe the getaway car was parked in sadies theory.


Any chance that you could post the GEarth 2007 image, please pegasus?  It would be clearer for us all.

[pegasus]

Why have you changed from GEarth to Bing Pegasus?

Both those map sites show that "under 20 metres" (which is part of a theory on some blog site) is a lie.
ETA movements between 10 and 10.10 are BTW in my current revised opinion not of primary interest >@@(*&)
 
 

[sadie]

Both those map sites show that "under 20 metres" (which is part of a theory on some blog site) is a lie.

What is the under 20 metres about pegasus?  Have I missed something?

[pegasus]

What is the under 20 metres about pegasus?  Have I missed something?

A blogsite wrongly claimed that when GM was seen from NB balcony, GM was less than 20 metres from RM garden.

[sadie]

A blogsite wrongly claimed that when GM was seen from NB balcony, GM was less than 20 metres from RM garden.

Thankyou Pegasus.

You are quite correct.  He was at least 70 metres yards = approx 64 metres crow flies and considerably more by footpath.

[pegasus]

...He was at least 70 metres crow flies and considerably more by footpath.

IMO about 63m by path. Could be less (or more) if was not directly under the balcony. But certainly "less than 20m" is false.

[sadie]

I think we both got it wrong pegasus.

I think I must have measured in yards and ascribed it to metres and it actually is approx 64 metres not 70 metres, crow flies.  I have amended my post.

I disagree with the distance you state by pathway.  I make it about 90 metres,and that is just to Murats perimeter wall.  [It doesn't take account of using the main gateway]  which is rather more than 63 metres.  To the main gateway would be a fair bit longer.


Are you aware that there is a very high [? 2 metres?] tennis court like mesh barrier across the entrance to Murats house? 

Not immediately across the gates, but between the little local road his drive opens on to and Rua Agostinho de Silva. [Rua A.S]   This is the road JT saw bundleman walking along, in an easterly direction, towards Murats.

I didn't measure the barrier, but it was some considerable length.  Anyone approaching Murats on foot from 5A direction, would have had to make a fairly considerable detour to reach the main gates.  I have no idea whether the Murats had a back gate, or not.  Do you ?


Personally I have never felt that Murat was bundleman.


It would be good if we could agree on distances pegasus, then we can write them down as fact in future.

[pathfinder73]

The information came from super detective Birch so it wouldn't surprise me if he was mistaken. With the location of the balcony it looks likely he exited west to the car park and not the north to Murat's.

Pegasus, where did you get the exact location of G606? Thanks.

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The information came from Stephen Birch who is mentioned in the article.

Regards.

Christopher Spivey

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My response:

Hi Christopher

Thank you for very much for the quick response. Could you kindly pass this on to Stephen Birch so he could answer please? Thank you.

[sadie]

The information came from super detective Birch so it wouldn't surprise me if he was mistaken. With the location of the balcony it looks likely he exited west to the car park and not the north to Murat's.
Pegasus, where did you get the exact location of G606? Thanks.

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The information came from Stephen Birch who is mentioned in the article.

Regards.

Christopher Spivey

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My response:

Hi Christopher

Thank you for very much for the quick response. Could you kindly pass this on to Stephen Birch so he could answer please? Thank you.

With the location of the balcony it looks likely he exited west to the car park and not the north to Murat's.

How do you work that out?  Logically please

[pegasus]

Because from another witness I knew apt 605 was westmost ground floor apt, so it's obvious apt 606 is eastmost first floor apt.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry's probable return route to 5A from the crèche where he was seen/heard by Berry/Balu on the balcony G606. The is the same short cut path route they used to take Madeleine so Gerry was familiar with it.









BALCONY











PATH IN FRONT OF 5A GARDEN (the route I think Jane Tanner used because Jez would've seen her if she went past him IMO) If she went the other route as she said then Jez wasn't there at that time IMO.

[pegasus]

I make it about 90 metres

I make it about 63m walk, you make it about 90m walk, what does that make birch/spivey?
"under 20 metres my -----" as my friend Mr Royal might say.
I happen to object strongly to that obsessive and deluded self-important rubbish theory against RM.

[pegasus]

@pathfinder these  3 shots are likely to be from 606 balcony IMO.



The view from which you claim was totally unpolluted by searchers for the first c 20 minutes after the alarm?
BTW I am surprised by your support for the driveway theory on other sites, which I consider to be obsessive and deluded.
And do you still support the xray vision through a huge building rubbish about "less than 20 metres"?
It is simply not true (and that is being polite)