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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #285 on: April 02, 2014, 12:09:45 AM »
Well why was Dianne examining and trying to lift heavy shutters on the outside for Kate if Gerry was there. Why didn't Kate ask Gerry to do it if he was there?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #286 on: April 02, 2014, 12:13:46 AM »
...  Fiona arrived after Dianne had left so you'd better re-work your incorrect timeline?....
See DW rogatory (at interview time 1hour 9 minutes and 40 seconds to be precise).
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #287 on: April 02, 2014, 12:19:38 AM »
Read her original statement no mention of Gerry being there only finding Kate in a state of shock.

" The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY)"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

I think that's another mistake on your part! Gerry wasn't in 5A when Dianne first went there or he would be lifting the heavy shutters  (not Dianne) 8-)(--) I already told Anne this and she reported me - for what? telling the truth!
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 04:49:19 AM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #288 on: April 02, 2014, 12:33:48 AM »
How can the hypothesis "Fiona arrived after Dianne had left" be correct?
When DW first got to 5A, FP was there. (I gave the exact source already).
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 12:37:48 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #289 on: April 02, 2014, 12:45:10 AM »
When Fiona arrived at 5A she said nobody was there except Kate. So that means to me that Dianne had left. How could FP be there when Dianne first came. Fiona says she was outdoors with the men going all the way down to the supermarket looking for Madeleine. So unless there is a FP clone it is not possible to be in 2 places at once as Gerry knows all too well  8)--))
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 12:48:21 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #290 on: April 02, 2014, 01:13:51 AM »
When Fiona arrived at 5A she said nobody was there except Kate.
You are omitting that FP says in an adjoining sentence that GM came down from the apartment just before she entered.
So that means to me that Dianne had left.
DW at that point had not arrived at apartment. For proof see where DW states that FP was in apartment when DW first went in
Fiona says she was outdoors with the men going all the way down to the supermarket looking for Madeleine.
No she does not say "with the men". She says immediatly after the alarm rush she did her quick and only search alone (btw this was west to Rua 1 Maio, south, east to supermarket, north to 5A).
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 01:17:31 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #291 on: April 02, 2014, 02:09:11 AM »
You are very confused and have things all muddled up. DW went twice to the apartment at different times. I think you're confusing her going the 2nd time with the 1st. Fiona doesn't say Gerry came down from the apartment. Did Gerry sneak up to 5A as soon as Dianne left the first time to collect stuff she forgot at the tapas bar table and Gerry went back down before Fiona went up. How long did he stay there for? One minute and was gone again like a phantom in the night. I don't think so.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 02:17:07 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #292 on: April 02, 2014, 02:28:00 AM »
You are very confused and have things all muddled up. DW went twice to the apartment at different times. I think you're confusing her going the 2nd time with the 1st....
You underestimate my accuracy IMO.
The first time DW entered the apartment, FP was already in the apartment.
I already gave you the proof, the interview time, to the exact second.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #293 on: April 02, 2014, 02:34:18 AM »
Please read this and learn something. Dianne saw Fiona the 2nd time she returned to 5A after leaving the first time to get her stuff from the tapas bar table.

Dianne Webster Statement May 07

The witness says she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the apartment McCANN.

 - In that apartment she found that KATE was completely in panic, in "state of shock ".
 - Because she was asked, she states that she entered the apartment by the sliding glass door of the patio at the back, which gives access to the lounge. Then she went to the children's bedroom, noting that there she found KATE and the twin siblings of MADELEINE

 - She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the
 window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, while at the entrance to the room, if the window was or was not open.
 - However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed.

 - Because she was asked, she says she does not know if the window, and the shutter, of the couple's bedroom were open or not, in that she did not enter that room.
 - Prompted about the conditions of light inside the apartment at the time, the witness believes that they were good, judging that the lights were lit and she recalls no darkness. Regarding the bedroom previously occupied by Madeleine, she does not remember if the lights were lit, but knows that when she entered the twins were still sleeping in their beds, which makes her think that maybe those lights were switched off. She added that, for her to see the twins and their cradles, and the bed of MADELEINE, the darkness would not be complete, but that the room had some coming from the light of the lounge.

 - She adds that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

 - The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time (i.e. the 2nd time - PF), the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA.

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Saw Fiona the 2nd time she arrived. Confirmed in her statement. She was in 5A for 10 minutes the first time she arrived and Kate was alone with the twins.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 02:49:40 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #294 on: April 02, 2014, 02:41:35 AM »
... Fiona doesn't say Gerry came down from the apartment....
Hopefully we can agree she said "had come down at this point"?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #295 on: April 02, 2014, 02:52:28 AM »
Yes we can agree but an investigator needs to confirm what time this was from the witness and make sure this is not further general talk. An investigator needs to follow this up to get the correct and relevant detailed information about the actual time she is referring to to be certain. Matt also said Gerry "come down" but he was referring to Gerry coming down to reception to phone the police at 10.40 not that Gerry was coming down the steps from 5A. If Fiona did see Gerry at that point then it is just after Matt left to phone the police at 10.10. Matt didn't see Gerry so it's after 10.10 IMO so that means my question: Where was Gerry from 10 to 10.10 still stands.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 03:07:06 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #296 on: April 02, 2014, 03:09:09 AM »
Please read this and learn something...
You claimed that FP entered the apartment after DW had left.
I said your claim is disproved by the fact that FP was already in apartment when DW first entered as stated in DW rog.
You now post from DW rog that FP was already in apartment when DW first entered.
OK.
BTW I am on a timeline different by more than minutes from yours, plus I keep adapting my theory to newly learned facts, and so it evolves, flaws which yours does not have.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #297 on: April 02, 2014, 03:13:18 AM »
I've posted her statement above - you could atleast read Dianne's statement. Everything is there crystal clear.

She waits 5 minutes at table.

She goes to 5A where she finds Kate alone in twins bedroom.

She stays about 10 minutes looking and trying to raise shutters etc. Nobody else enters the apartment.

She leaves and goes to tapas bar table to collect her stuff.

She returns to 5A and finds Fiona is now there with Kate.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 03:15:22 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #298 on: April 02, 2014, 03:46:48 AM »
The officer asks DW who was in 5A the first time DW entered.
"fiona was there"
I gave you the exact source already.
What's "very confused" and "muddled" about that?  >@@(*&)

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #299 on: April 02, 2014, 10:41:22 AM »
Well she was wrong (Fiona was there the 2nd time DW entered 5A) because Fiona said to the others that she was now going to see Kate in 5A. This was at 10.10. Dianne's statement is correct. I know who was missing from 10 to 10.10 as I know who Smithman is and it's up to SY to prove it.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 11:04:53 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.