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Offline sadie

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #300 on: April 02, 2014, 06:22:57 PM »
Well she was wrong (Fiona was there the 2nd time DW entered 5A) because Fiona said to the others that she was now going to see Kate in 5A. This was at 10.10. Dianne's statement is correct. I know who was missing from 10 to 10.10 as I know who Smithman is and it's up to SY to prove it.
If who you think Smithman is who I think you mean?

How long you got? 8(>((


Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #301 on: April 02, 2014, 06:52:28 PM »
If who you think Smithman is who I think you mean?

How long you got? 8(>((



I think detectives in SY know who he is but they have to prove it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #302 on: April 02, 2014, 06:57:35 PM »
I think detectives in SY know who he is but they have to prove it.
I think they know who is the mastermind, but have to sort out the small fry first.  And elimenate others to clear the field

But I could be wrong

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #303 on: April 02, 2014, 08:47:21 PM »
Well she was wrong (Fiona was there the 2nd time DW entered 5A) because Fiona said to the others that she was now going to see Kate in 5A. This was at 10.10. Dianne's statement is correct. I know who was missing from 10 to 10.10 as I know who Smithman is and it's up to SY to prove it.
In DW rogatory statement, at 01:09:40, the officer has just asked who was at 5A specifically the FIRST time DW enters 5A.

DW's answer may be found by searching the text of DW rogatory for this random snippet of text: "fiona was there"

 

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #304 on: April 02, 2014, 08:55:40 PM »
The first (repeat first) time DW enters 5A she also sees
"----- sitting in the chair"
I'll let you guess who.
SOURCE=DW rogatory at interview time exactly 01:09:40


« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 09:03:30 PM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #305 on: April 02, 2014, 09:06:04 PM »
The first (repeat first) time DW enters 5A she also sees
"----- sitting in the chair"
I'll let you guess who.
SOURCE=DW rogatory at interview time exactly 01:09:40


It's perfectly clear in her statement that nobody but Kate and the twins were in 5A the first time Dianne arrived. Fiona was there when she went back the 2nd time after leaving and going to the table to retrieve her items as Dianne clearly stated in her statement. As I said Fiona can't be in two places at once. Fiona was out searching with the men when Dianne first went to 5A. Fiona told the others she was now going to see Kate and Matt went to call the police at 10.10.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 09:12:14 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #306 on: April 02, 2014, 09:44:32 PM »
Why are you setting such store by Dianne Webster's statement?  Because it suits your purpose?

Wonder how long that would stand up in Court along with those of the Gaspars  and Yvonne Martin.

Why are you setting such store by Dianne Webster's statement?

Well it ain't worth setting much store by Kate & Gerry's statements really is it, they ain't even sure who put the kids to bed or, if the Smiths' sighting was Maddie, what pyjamas she had on.

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #307 on: April 02, 2014, 09:45:45 PM »
Why are you setting such store by Dianne Webster's statement?  Because it suits your purpose?

Wonder how long that would stand up in Court along with those of the Gaspars  and Yvonne Martin.

It's not just her statement. Read Fiona's interview to know where she is i.e. outdoor searching with the men. Unless you think Fiona can be at Baptista supermarket and sitting on a chair inside 5A at the same time?
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 09:48:41 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #308 on: April 02, 2014, 11:50:55 PM »
It's not just her statement. Read Fiona's interview to know where she is i.e. outdoor searching with the men. Unless you think Fiona can be at Baptista supermarket and sitting on a chair inside 5A at the same time?
I did not say FP was sitting in a chair. I said someone was sitting in a chair and gave a source so peeps could read who, here it is again DW 2008 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id254.html  01:09:40
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 11:53:43 PM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #309 on: April 03, 2014, 12:03:09 AM »
I did not say FP was sitting in a chair. I said someone was sitting in a chair and gave a source so peeps could read who, here it is again DW 2008 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id254.html  01:09:40


"I remember seeing Rachael and Gerry, I just remember Gerry sitting in the chair just absolutely, well roaring is the only word I can describe it as, just absolutely beside himself." (DW Rog 2008)

Rachael never went into 5A so Dianne is mistaken in her interview. Rachel went straight to her apartment to look after the kids. Unless this is much later when the police arrived. This interview from Dianne contradicts Fiona and Rachel so she is wrong. Her statement was correct. The first time Kate was alone in 5A and all the others were out searching as there was a child missing!
« Last Edit: April 03, 2014, 12:04:57 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #310 on: April 03, 2014, 12:19:14 AM »
Also same source, at 01:07:18
DW: ...when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment, which was just absolute err just terrible.
4078: "What did you see when you got there?”
DW: "What did I see? Well Kate and Gerry ..."

Presumably your point would be that DW almost a year after the events is mixing up the two times she entered.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #311 on: April 03, 2014, 12:33:47 AM »
She was mistaken a year later and trying to find any mistake/contradiction isn't going to clear a person who was missing from 10 to 10.10. If you use some logic you can see that Dianne was lifting heavy shutters on the outside on her own. Gerry wasn't helping her because he wasn't there and read Rachel's interview to know where she was at this time.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Admin

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #312 on: April 03, 2014, 11:23:33 PM »
Seems to me that approximately 5 minutes after the alert Diane makes her first trip to apt 5a and finds Kate and Gerry in a terrible state.  After a few minutes she decides to return to the tapas restaurant to collect her handbag, baby monitor and the McCann's camera.  She returns to apt 5a for the second time but finds Kate alone.  Diane follows Gerry's example, goes outside and fiddles with the shutter in an attempt to raise it.  She fails so returns inside where she meets up with Fiona who asks her to return to their apartment to watch their children.

Am I right?

Offline pegasus

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #313 on: April 04, 2014, 12:33:53 AM »
Seems to me that approximately 5 minutes after the alert Diane makes her first trip to apt 5a and finds Kate and Gerry in a terrible state.  After a few minutes she decides to return to the tapas restaurant to collect her handbag, baby monitor and the McCann's camera.  She returns to apt 5a for the second time but finds Kate alone.  Diane follows Gerry's example, goes outside and fiddles with the shutter in an attempt to raise it.  She fails so returns inside where she meets up with Fiona who asks her to return to their apartment to watch their children.

Am I right?
Just looking for now at one small detail: when DW very briefly tried to open by herself the north bedroom shutter from outside, she was not alone, there was someone else standing outside the window with her. (Source DW rogatory). 

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?
« Reply #314 on: April 04, 2014, 12:44:57 AM »
Seems to me that approximately 5 minutes after the alert Diane makes her first trip to apt 5a and finds Kate and Gerry in a terrible state.  After a few minutes she decides to return to the tapas restaurant to collect her handbag, baby monitor and the McCann's camera.  She returns to apt 5a for the second time but finds Kate alone.  Diane follows Gerry's example, goes outside and fiddles with the shutter in an attempt to raise it.  She fails so returns inside where she meets up with Fiona who asks her to return to their apartment to watch their children.

Am I right?

Read this statement:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

(although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY)

At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.


Time Estimate 10.10 pm (Fiona went to 5A after sending Matt to go and call the police)

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  'What did you see when you walked in, describe it''
 
FP  Reply
  'At that point, Gerry, I don't think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate.

Kate was already saying that she'd found the window open and the shutter open and she was convinced at that point that somebody had taken, taken Madeleine and that's what she was telling me and I was like 'They can't have done. They can't have done this', you know. And I looked, I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere, erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd. Erm, we were trying to ascertain whether Madeleine could have got out, and I've already said earlier the shutters were very heavy, and I was almost trying to convince Kate that she could have opened the shutter and climbed out, although knowing that wasn't a likely thing, but at that point we were just trying to pacify Kate in that Madeleine was going to be alright. Erm, and I, I think I touched the webbing in that room, but because Sean and Amelie were asleep, I didn't actually open the shutter in that room, we went, I went to the front of the house and I was trying to lift the shutter at the, at the back, just to prove whether, you know, whether it could have been opened and whether Madeleine could have opened it from the inside'. (Fiona Payne)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared.

Time Estimate 10.20 pm

When I arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom I now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed. I returned to the location where the leaflets were being distributed and passed on the information that I had gathered about the missing girl. (Emma Knight)

« Last Edit: April 04, 2014, 01:23:26 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.