Are the phantom sightings of Madeleine simply a forlorn hope ?

[John]

The longer this goes on the more I believe Mr Edgar could be right when he declared some time ago that Madeleine might not be far from PdL.

Despite pictures of fair-haired children being taken in places like Morocco and Brussels, encounters of blue-eyed children in gypsy camps in Portugal, Greece and Ireland and claims of sightings on Mediterranean islands and elsewhere, there hasn't been a single verifiable sighting of Madeleine in nearly seven years which in itself is bad news and can only really lead to one conclusion.

[Estuarine]

The longer this goes on the more I believe Mr Edgar could be right when he declared some time ago that Madeleine might not be far from PdL.

Very enigmatic,John; do you mean alive and kicking in "the lawless hinterland" (yawn) or the other possibility?

[Mr Gray]

Very enigmatic,John; do you mean alive and kicking in "the lawless hinterland" (yawn) or the other possibility?

It doesn't take a genius to work out that Maddie is almost certainly deceased and her remains near PDL...but there are other possibilities and one, however remote is that she is still alive. Who can blame her parents for clinging to that faint hope

[sadie]

It doesn't take a genius to work out that Maddie is almost certainly deceased and her remains near PDL...but there are other possibilities and one, however remote is that she is still alive. Who can blame her parents for clinging to that faint hope

I beg to differ davel.

I have something, which I cant disclose ...  and I am not 100% about it

But if I am correcrt she was certainly alive and physically well a couple of years ago ... and nowhere near PdL



Then have we forgotten the barrister who went to the police sometime about aug / sept last year.  S/he was dreadfully upset because a friend at a party had disclosed that he had met Madeleine with a man at another party on a Meditteranean island. 

And there was something about what this man said that convinced her/him that he was telling the truth.  We dont know what that was.

[Wonderfulspam]

Not just a living Madeleine, IMO. Even if she's dead, and Amaral continues to lead people to believe that the parents were responsible, they would be less likely to come forward with any clues as to who may have taken her or where her body might be.

One case (whose details I've forgotten) was solved many years after a disappearance by people (family?) clearing out the house of someone who'd recently deceased. They came across suspicious items which they handed to the police. They could just as easily have chucked the items in a skip along with everything else and some bereaved family would never have had closure.

That's it, give them goal posts a shove, no one will notice.

[Carana]

That's it, give them goal posts a shove, no one will notice.

It's not about changing goal posts: whether she's alive or not, she still deserves to be found or at least what actually happened to her needs to be known.

[John]

I beg to differ davel.

I have something, which I cant disclose ...  and I am not 100% about it

But if I am correct she was certainly alive and physically well a couple of years ago ... and nowhere near PdL



Then have we forgotten the barrister who went to the police sometime about aug / sept last year.  S/he was dreadfully upset because a friend at a party had disclosed that he had met Madeleine with a man at another party on a Mediterranean island. 

And there was something about what this man said that convinced her/him that he was telling the truth.  We dont know what that was.

Sadie, just think about what you have just posted for a minute. Do you honestly think someone would take the worlds most sought after child to a party for all to see?   Apologies in advance but...    

[Sherlock Holmes]

Maybe it wasn't the kind of 'party' you, I or Sadie would be attending, John...

[John]

Maybe it wasn't the kind of 'party' you, I or Sadie would be attending, John...

Very true but if it had been Madeleine and had been reported as claimed I'm sure we would have heard by now. 
About these parties on Mediterranean islands, care to share?

[sadie]

Sadie, just think about what you have just posted for a minute. Do you honestly think someone would take the worlds most sought after child to a party for all to see?   Apologies in advance but...    

I think it was in another country, little visited by Brits or PTs.  Madeleine was virtually unrecogniseable by this time, from the little tot we remember .... and it was felt safe.

About 2 or 3 years ago, John, there were whispers on the internet that Madeleine was out again amongst people.  She would not know who she was, she would be quite changed, possibly wearinng contact lenses or dark galsses and she would speak the language like a native.


May I suggest that you think again John.  Re-evaluate.

[Anna]

Maybe it wasn't the kind of 'party' you, I or Sadie would be attending, John...

You mean a Kiddie birthday party sort of thing?

[Wonderfulspam]

I think it was in another country, little visited by Brits or PTs.  Madeleine was virtually unrecogniseable by this time, from the little tot we remember .... and it was felt safe.

About 2 or 3 years ago, John, there were whispers on the internet that Madeleine was out again amongst people.  She would not know who she was, she would be quite changed, possibly wearinng contact lenses or dark galsses and she would speak the language like a native.


May I suggest that you think again John.  Re-evaluate.

So she has forgoten her name and all memory of her family & has never mentioned any of them or who she is to anyone ever again.

Possible I suppose, Amnesia from the shock of being abducted or brainwashed by a religious cult.

[sadie]

So she has forgoten her name and all memory of her family & has never mentioned any of them or who she is to anyone ever again.

Possible I suppose, Amnesia from the shock of being abducted or brainwashed by a religious cult.

Yep, there are people who can erase the memory.  A nasty process involving mental cruelty and the multiple splitting of the personality, IIRC, along with drugs to aid the process.

Once done the person can be re-progammed apparently to do as bidden ... and immediately forget what wrong doings they have done under command.



And a child of not yet 4 would not remember much anyway about her childhood, especially if her mind was full of distress.  Madeleine appeared to be a highly intelligent little girl.  maybe she would remember to an earlier stage that a less intelligent child.

Personally I can only remember back with any certainty to when I first started school at the age of 4.  And I only have snatches of memory of that.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yep, there are people who can erase the memory.  A nasty process involving mental cruelty and the multiple splitting of the personality, IIRC, along with drugs to aid the process.

Once done the person can be re-progammed apparently to do as bidden ... and immediately forget what wrong doings they have done under command.



And a child of not yet 4 would not remember much anyway about her childhood, especially if her mind was full of distress.  Madeleine appeared to be a highly intelligent little girl.  maybe she would remember to an earlier stage that a less intelligent child.

Personally I can only remember back with any certainty to when I first started school at the age of 4.  And I only have snatches of memory of that.

I think you have to give us more information here, sadie. Too general / speculative.

[Sherlock Holmes]

You mean a Kiddie birthday party sort of thing?

No, I mean a 'party' with sinister goings-on. A close ring of people who would need collectively to keep their dirty secrets.

Can't think of any other  situation one would risk bringing Madeleine into.

I do accept that if Madeleine is alive she is most probably unrecognisable - by what process I do not know - but nonetheless, how could a person risk bringing her into a public space?