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Toe rag

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2012, 11:38:26 PM »
My wife says im a drunken b........ for coming home at 3am and pissing in the wadrobe. I say shes a lazy cow who never makes an effort to look nice, and if she gave me a bit now and then i wouldnt have to go looking for it elsewhere.
who is correct? what does the forum think?
     
                                                    Mr Morrison, harlow

Offline puglove

Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2012, 11:43:02 PM »
My wife says im a drunken b........ for coming home at 3am and pissing in the wadrobe. I say shes a lazy cow who never makes an effort to look nice, and if she gave me a bit now and then i wouldnt have to go looking for it elsewhere.
who is correct? what does the forum think?
     
                                                    Mr Morrison, harlow

Can't speak for the entire forum, Toe Rag, but you do sound a bit Viz. But I'm all for freedom of speech.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Citizen Kane

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2012, 11:49:44 PM »
My wife says im a drunken b........ for coming home at 3am and pissing in the wadrobe. I say shes a lazy cow who never makes an effort to look nice, and if she gave me a bit now and then i wouldnt have to go looking for it elsewhere.
who is correct? what does the forum think?
     
                                                    Mr Morrison, harlow

Can't speak for the entire forum, Toe Rag, but you do sound a bit Viz. But I'm all for freedom of speech.

i know a couple of fat slags

Toe rag

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2012, 11:52:33 PM »
Last saturday my mate paid £15 for a blow job. yet on my last date i spent near on £40 taking abird out and all i got was a peck on the cheek. i feel i have been ripped off considering the value my mate got for his money.


                                               Mertol, Lincs.

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2012, 11:54:32 PM »
My wife says im a drunken b........ for coming home at 3am and pissing in the wadrobe. I say shes a lazy cow who never makes an effort to look nice, and if she gave me a bit now and then i wouldnt have to go looking for it elsewhere.
who is correct? what does the forum think?
     
                                                    Mr Morrison, harlow

Can't speak for the entire forum, Toe Rag, but you do sound a bit Viz. But I'm all for freedom of speech.

i know a couple of fat slags

Don't we all. I also know a couple of drunken bakers and Terry f..kwit. Possibly even Paul Whicker, tall vicar. There's been some pontificating tonight, on the blue forum.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Toe rag

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2012, 11:57:20 PM »
People say every dog has its day, how right they are. We got a dog for christmas got bored with it and had it put down boxing day.

                                            M Tesko, Neverland.

Stephanie Hall

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2012, 11:57:59 PM »
My wife says im a drunken b........ for coming home at 3am and pissing in the wadrobe. I say shes a lazy cow who never makes an effort to look nice, and if she gave me a bit now and then i wouldnt have to go looking for it elsewhere.
who is correct? what does the forum think?
     
                                                    Mr Morrison, harlow

Can't speak for the entire forum, Toe Rag, but you do sound a bit Viz. But I'm all for freedom of speech.

i know a couple of fat slags

Don't we all. I also know a couple of drunken bakers and Terry f..kwit. Possibly even Paul Whicker, tall vicar. There's been some pontificating tonight, on the blue forum.

 @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(* Shona when are you coming to Suffolk?

Toe rag

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2012, 12:06:43 AM »
Does Rohypnol work on sheep?...erm my mate wants to know.

                                                    Smiffy, clapgate.

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2012, 12:18:05 PM »

Offline Nicholas

Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2012, 05:22:25 PM »
Hanratty was innocent.

Michael Gregsten and Valerie Storie were defecting to Russia in 1961. It was during the cold war and these places were under surveillance by security. Their intentions were known. The person who was responsible was Peter Alfonso, who occasionally was used by the security services to do their dirty work. The DNA was planted, as Hanratty and Alfonso once shared a room in a bed and breakfast. Paul Cleeland knew Alfonso !

IMHO

Craigie is well read - his use of the English language knows no bounds.

He had studied people like Hanretty et al and attempts to mimic a mixture of behaviours of these people he has researched to almost an inch of their lives.

He wants to be somebody but he will always be a nobody.

His feelings left him years ago.

He empowers the weak and the bullies.

He attacks the strong and resilent.

He hides from the truth.

He manipulates the minds of others.

Paranoia rules his life.

He lives in a world only known to Craigie.

He attempts to take on the personality of others to attack.

He is everywhere, this is his full time job.

He believes the whole of society is against him and bitterness spurs him on.

He does not feel pain, nor the pain of others.

He plots, he schemes, he lies, he cheats, he will stop at nothing.

He is relentless in his crimes.

He says - he is a keyboard warrior....

In actual fact he cold, creative and devious.

All in all making him one very dangerous man!

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Harry Rag

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2012, 10:57:52 AM »
There is a new piece about the James Hanratty case on the True Justice website:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

Alex

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2012, 04:08:23 AM »
Does anyone have any theories on the motives for Hanratty having committed the crimes as stated...  Ive always believed Hanratty to be guilty and the DNA evidence appears to totally support this..
But his motive eludes me and what he was doing in the area where he first accosted his victims, unless he had been stalking them.      It is of course possible that it was a chance encounter, but still doesn't explain why he should be on foot in that area with a loaded weapon.     It seems to me it was a deliberate act, and possibly it was a 'professional hit', paid for by Michael's wife.     The fact that Michael was also a top research scientist only adds to the intrigue. 

Offline goatboy

Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2012, 07:57:52 AM »
I was surprised actually when the DNA evidence proved his guilt. For an experienced car thief he wasn't very good at driving the car away.

Offline unclegru

Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2013, 03:58:15 PM »
The DNA evidence is spurious at best.
 Can't understand why the defence asked for the test to be carried out as there was always a good chance that his DNA would be found as all the exhibits had been stored, transported to court in the same box. Also the exhibits were handled by the court usher and even members of the jury.
The DNA technique used is only recognised in 4 countries as it's very controversial (Google low copy number DNA to get an insight into this).
The fact that Hanratty's DNA was found is unsurprising as his exhibits had been stored with Valerie Stories exhibits. This, in my opinion, makes the evidence neutral at best, somewhat like the Barry George evidence that originally convicted him but later was of paramount importance for the quashing of the conviction. Considering the small amount of sample that was used in the LCN PCR reaction in Hanratty's caes I'm not altogether surprised they didn't find other DNA.
So my take on this is that just because they found Hanratty's DNA on the sample does not make him guilty as it could have got onto the sample by contamination, hence the evidence neutral scenario, and also the fact that no other DNA was found just means that there was none on the minute sample tested. It should be a given that with all the handling the exchibits had over the trial period and beyond there was DNA from others on the exhibits originally but was not found by the LCN PCR. The fact that no other DNA was found (lack of evidence of other DNA) doesn't in my opinion prove Hanratty's guilt   

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Re: How the psychopath can fool you...James Hanratty.
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2018, 10:59:41 PM »
Hi everyone,
I am the guy from facebook and the Hanratty argument is mine. I felt it highly appropriate to the situtation.
There are striking similarities in both cases as regards denial. Whether or not Hanratty was actually a clinical psychopath will probably never be known, what we do know is that the DNA found at the crime scene matched his,  and therefore there is a extremely high probability that Hanratty is a murderer and a rapist. I believe the rape may be the cause of Hanratty's reluctance to admit to the crime, rather than the murder.  Who knows?
Bamber I believe, denies it persistently for several reasons. First and foremost he is aware that an admission of any sort would, almost certainly condemn him to a whole life tariff with virtually no hope of a retrial, Denial, however, affords Bamber the possibility - at least in theory - that his case may be referred to the Court of Appeal and he could be released, even on a technicality.
Secondly, Bamber's overbearing arrogance. This well-documented and clearly obnoxious side to Bamber's personality, I believe played and continues to play a huge part in his reluctance to admit that he is responsible for this heinous crime. Put simply, he simply cannot admit to himself and others that he is a cowardly murderer who ambushed 5 defenseless people one man , two women and two children. Lastly I believe that Bamber has portrayed himself - as narcissistic psychopaths often do - in the role of the victim. In was not him who committed the murders but his sister. Everyone else is lying. His relatives are trying to frame him. The police are out to get him. Anyone but him. This is one of the key traits of a psychopath - Denial and then shifting the blame. Psychopaths are adept at this. However, there is one last aspect to why I think Bamber persistently denies responsibility and readers may find this somewhat strange; Bamber has such total contempt for those people that he so brutally murdered, that he feels they are unworthy of his imprisonment for their murder. He feels it is highly unjust that a man such as himself should spend any time at all incarcerated just because of them. In effect Bamber may feel a sense of injustice not for the fact that he is serving time for murder, but because the people that he murdered are unworthy of the time he is serving. They were nothing to him and therefore any punishment thats is administered should follow suit. To any right-thinking individual it sounds extremely strange. However, to a narcissistic psychopath this type of thinking makes perfect sense.[b/]

I've never read these posts before but I think they are spot on; especially this one!
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation