The dogs.....

[ferryman]

That form the expert on nothing.

Can you find any examples of Eddie giving a 'head-down' alert?

[Mr Gray]

What many substances are these?  The dogs alert to two things and two things only.  Eddie was trained to alert to blood and cadaver scent and Keela to blood.  Can you cite where Martin says they alert to anything else other than these? They were deconditioned to alerting to urine, semen and faeces unless they were mixed with blood so you can rule those out. Where Eddie alerted alone and Keela did not, he was alerting to cadaver scent only.

In Martins opinion where Eddie alerted alone he said and I quote

'My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Also, I do not assume that a body would have to have lain for 1.5 hours before a dog would alert, I base what I post on hard facts.

A body would have to be insitu for at least 1.5 hours as it would not be possible for a dog to alert to cadaver scent earlier than that as the general consensous among scientists is that  chemicals from decomposition only appear once a body has began to decompose. It takes our organs up to 90 minutes to die. Decomposition won't start until after the last organ dies so a body would have to have been insitu for over 90 minutes for any scent to develop and be detectable by a dog like Eddie.

So once again...Grime is saying he is not sure that eddie has reacted to cadaver odour

[stephen25000]

Can you find any examples of Eddie giving a 'head-down' alert?

Well provide links to all relevant documents and videos, and when I have the time over the next few days, I will give a concise answer.

Meanwhile, I am still awaiting the answer to the question I have posed to you on numerous occasions. Who are you representing on here and elsewhere ?

[ferryman]

Well provide links to all relevant documents and videos, and when I have the time over the next few days, I will give a concise answer.

Meanwhile, I am still awaiting the answer to the question I have posed to you on numerous occasions. Who are you representing on here and elsewhere ?

I take it that's a "no", then ...

[Serendipity]

That was about as unprofessional an opinion as opinions get ...

I repeat my challenge.

Can anyone find a video of Eddie giving a 'head-down' alert?

What are you waffling on about, i have never said Eddie gives a head down alert.  He simply just barks (info as per Martin Grime)

Face it Ferryman, it's time to hand over the coin yourself as your own theories are dead in the water :)

[Serendipity]

So once again...Grime is saying he is not sure that eddie has reacted to cadaver odour

Well yeh doh, that's as much as Martin can say unless a body or corroborative forensics is found doh.  But umm lemme see what was he trained to detect again? Oh yeh  Cadaver scent.  Your ascertation that Martin has any doubt as to what his dog alerted to is offensive.  He trained his dog to detect cadaver and that is what he did all his life and not once did a live person appear after he marked them as a decedant via his bark.

 

[Mr Gray]

What are you waffling on about, i have never said Eddie gives a head down alert.  He simply just barks (info as per Martin Grime)

Face it Ferryman, it's time to hand over the coin yourself as your own theories are dead in the water :)

When Grime says that the dogs actually ARE alerting to cadaver rather than using words such as "suggestive" then I will take more notice of the alerts..if Grime himself isn't sure...then I certainly am not

[Mr Gray]

Well yeh doh, that's as much as Martin can say unless a body or corroborative forensics is found doh.  But umm lemme see what was he trained to detect again? Oh yeh  Cadaver scent.  Your ascertation that Martin has any doubt as to what his dog alerted to is offensive.  He trained his dog to detect cadaver and that is what he did all his life and not once did a live person appear after he marked them as a decedant via his bark.

Your waffle is very unconvincing..grime expresses doubt in his statement..that is an absolute fact which you choose to ignore

[Serendipity]

When Grime says that the dogs actually ARE alerting to cadaver rather than using words such as "suggestive" then I will take more notice of the alerts..if Grime himself isn't sure...then I certainly am not

Oh you are hilarious.  He IS sure as that's what he trained his dog to do but it is then up to police to corroborate those findings.  Until that point an alert can only ever be suggestive in the legal sense.  It's not rocket science dave

[Serendipity]

Your waffle is very unconvincing..grime expresses doubt in his statement..that is an absolute fact which you choose to ignore

No he does not at all.  Show me where he used the word doubt just once.

[Benice]

Well yeh doh, that's as much as Martin can say unless a body or corroborative forensics is found doh.  But umm lemme see what was he trained to detect again? Oh yeh  Cadaver scent.  Your ascertation that Martin has any doubt as to what his dog alerted to is offensive.  He trained his dog to detect cadaver and that is what he did all his life and not once did a live person appear after he marked them as a decedant via his bark.

So do you think the large amount of milk teeth which Eddie alerted to in Jersey all came from the dead bodies of children?  Or was he alerting to 'body bits' which had parted company with their living owners via the usual natural process?

[Wonderfulspam]

Stop your sobbing guys and give us an example of a missing person turning up alive after a death dog indicated they weren't.

There must be at least one example, given how incredibly unreliable these dogs are apparently.

PS, Gina De Jesus was debunked yesterday, much to the dissapointment of coco the clown.

Sureley Debunker can give us an example, seeing as though he spent several years chasing his own tail.

[Mr Gray]

No he does not at all.  Show me where he used the word doubt just once.

He doesn't use the word doubt..there are lots of words he doesn't use...

He doesn't say eddie IS alerting to cadaver...the word he uses is suggestive..that is not definite..fact..you don't understand the dogs alerts..Grime does

[Mr Gray]

Well yeh doh, that's as much as Martin can say unless a body or corroborative forensics is found doh.  But umm lemme see what was he trained to detect again? Oh yeh  Cadaver scent.  Your ascertation that Martin has any doubt as to what his dog alerted to is offensive.  He trained his dog to detect cadaver and that is what he did all his life and not once did a live person appear after he marked them as a decedant via his bark.

As you have issued this challenge could you name ONE missing person that eddie has alerted to

[Serendipity]

So do you think the large amount of milk teeth which Eddie alerted to in Jersey all came from the dead bodies of children?  Or was he alerting to 'body bits' which had parted company with their living owners via the usual natural process?

Do you actually understand what his remit iwas?  Clearly not.  Eddie was charged with locating bodies, body parts or scent of where a body may have lain/been in contact with. He was trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone, tissue, and TEETH.  It is up to police to then ascertain whether any teeth he found did or did not come from a dead body.

Major fail on your part there Benice, please try harder.