The dogs.....

[John]

A lot of emphasis has been put on the cadaver dogs and their alerts to various stimuli.  I also read that this is was explained as being caused by meat and nappies being carried in the car concerned. 

Has this been satisfactorily explained?

[HiDeHo]

Andrea

I understand that Hair and Fibres were sent to the FSS in Birmingham, UK. What were the results of these tests?
 and John

John
A lot of emphasis has been put on the cadaver dogs and their alerts to various stimuli.  I also read that this is was explained as being caused by meat and nappies being carried in the car concerned. 

Has this been satisfactorily explained?

With so many videos sharing a lot of the important information, it's difficult to pinpoint the best to use, but hopefully this one will answer both your questions. (let me know if not)

McCANN FORENSICS v 'NO EVIDENCE' Pt 3 - Was Madeleine's BODY in the RENTAL car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8NVS-_19g0

[Chinagirl]

A lot of emphasis has been put on the cadaver dogs and their alerts to various stimuli.  I also read that this is was explained as being caused by meat and nappies being carried in the car concerned. 

Has this been satisfactorily explained?

See http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078050/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2030

[HiDeHo]

A lot of emphasis has been put on the cadaver dogs and their alerts to various stimuli.  I also read that this is was explained as being caused by meat and nappies being carried in the car concerned. 

Has this been satisfactorily explained?

This AMAZING video shows CADAVER dogs do NOT alert to rotting meat. (Taken from a longer video explaining the dogs)

MCMINUTES: CADAVER dogs IGNORE rotting meat and find BODY 10ft UNDERGROUND!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWdDMp2JgGU

[debunker]

Eddie, the so-called cadaver dog reacts to the scent of dried human blood whether from a living or dead person. A reaction from him indicates cadaver odour OR blood.

[Admin]

I believe it has been shown in several cases how ineffective the same dogs can be.  They failed to notify the presence of any cadaver in the Adrian Prout case and had it not been for his confession Kate's body would never have been found.

[debunker]

I believe it has been shown in several cases how ineffective the same dogs can be.  They failed to notify the presence of any cadaver in the Adrian Prout case and had it not been for his confession Kate's body would never have been found.

The dogs can be very useful, but cannot be relied on. This is why their handler i mists thattheir reactions are worthless without further confirming evidence.

Drug search dogs false alert in real situations about 2/3 times. Cadaver dogs are really trained for body recovery rather than for micro identification. Added to the fact that Cadaver dogs alert to dried blood, it is difficult to assess their error rate.

IMHO they are better than 50/50 but not by much.

[stephen25000]

I believe it has been shown in several cases how ineffective the same dogs can be.  They failed to notify the presence of any cadaver in the Adrian Prout case and had it not been for his confession Kate's body would never have been found.

The dogs can be very useful, but cannot be relied on. This is why their handler i mists thattheir reactions are worthless without further confirming evidence.

Drug search dogs false alert in real situations about 2/3 times. Cadaver dogs are really trained for body recovery rather than for micro identification. Added to the fact that Cadaver dogs alert to dried blood, it is difficult to assess their error rate.

IMHO they are better than 50/50 but not by much.

So why were the dogs wrong in this case ?

The D.N.A. was inconclusive.

It does not mean , that the organic traces found weren't Madeleine's.

[debunker]

I believe it has been shown in several cases how ineffective the same dogs can be.  They failed to notify the presence of any cadaver in the Adrian Prout case and had it not been for his confession Kate's body would never have been found.

The dogs can be very useful, but cannot be relied on. This is why their handler i mists thattheir reactions are worthless without further confirming evidence.

Drug search dogs false alert in real situations about 2/3 times. Cadaver dogs are really trained for body recovery rather than for micro identification. Added to the fact that Cadaver dogs alert to dried blood, it is difficult to assess their error rate.


IMHO they are better than 50/50 but not by much.

So why were the dogs wrong in this case ?


The D.N.A. was inconclusive.

It does not mean , that the organic traces found weren't Madeleine's.

And it certainly does not mean that the 'traces' WERE Madeleine's. No proof either way. Presumption of Innocence and burden of proof then come into play.

[John]

Can anyone confirm if actual tests were done on this organic material such as blood supposedly found in apartment 5a?  Did it come back as a match to Madeleine?

[stephen25000]

I believe it has been shown in several cases how ineffective the same dogs can be.  They failed to notify the presence of any cadaver in the Adrian Prout case and had it not been for his confession Kate's body would never have been found.

The dogs can be very useful, but cannot be relied on. This is why their handler i mists thattheir reactions are worthless without further confirming evidence.

Drug search dogs false alert in real situations about 2/3 times. Cadaver dogs are really trained for body recovery rather than for micro identification. Added to the fact that Cadaver dogs alert to dried blood, it is difficult to assess their error rate.


IMHO they are better than 50/50 but not by much.

So why were the dogs wrong in this case ?


The D.N.A. was inconclusive.

It does not mean , that the organic traces found weren't Madeleine's.

And it certainly does not mean that the 'traces' WERE Madeleine's. No proof either way. Presumption of Innocence and burden of proof then come into play.

Proof of death does not always require a body.

There has not been one trace of Madeleine since she disappeared, and also tried to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigate the Mccanns as regards Madeleine's disappearance.

[Eleanor]

Can anyone confirm if actual tests were done on this organic material such as blood supposedly found in apartment 5a?  Did it come back as a match to Madeleine?

The blood found in the appartment was that of a Northern European Male.  No blood matching Madeleine was found.

[debunker]

Can anyone confirm if actual tests were done on this organic material such as blood supposedly found in apartment 5a?  Did it come back as a match to Madeleine?

IIRC not Madeleine's. Gerry's blood in rental car. Uncertain DNA from a mixed sample in the boot- explained by the FSS as to be expected from the admixture of 3 to 5 persons DNA recovered via LCNDNA techniques.

[stephen25000]

Can anyone confirm if actual tests were done on this organic material such as blood supposedly found in apartment 5a?  Did it come back as a match to Madeleine?

The blood found in the appartment was that of a Northern European Male.  No blood matching Madeleine was found.

One source came from a European male. The other 'traces' were inconclusive.

[Luz]

Can anyone confirm if actual tests were done on this organic material such as blood supposedly found in apartment 5a?  Did it come back as a match to Madeleine?

The blood found in the appartment was that of a Northern European Male.  No blood matching Madeleine was found.

In the documents I have in the PJ CD provided by the Portimão Court there is no reference (as far as I recall; I may be wrong and accept corrections) to any northern male, but there are several references to a possible link to Madeleine, although non-conclusive, because in Portugal 15 out of 19 alleles are not enough (in some US states 10 would be sufficient to send someone to the electric chair though)...and in a very unexpected and opportune e-mail the FSS director alluded to possible contamination of the samples by the staff...