Author Topic: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?  (Read 354989 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1110 on: June 10, 2014, 06:19:46 PM »
You're the last person on this forum to be handing out spelling lessons !
Maybe we should highlight each of your spelling / punctuation mistakes moving forward !

nothing to say on the dogs then...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1111 on: June 10, 2014, 06:22:15 PM »
You're the last person on this forum to be handing out spelling lessons !
Maybe we should highlight each of your spelling / punctuation mistakes moving forward !

There should be no gap between the last letter of the word and the exclamation mark!

Offline Brietta

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1112 on: June 10, 2014, 06:34:25 PM »
Firstly, I have not swung off on a tangent. I asked Ferryman a question in relation to a post which he made regarding the car. You felt the need to answer for him with the suggestion clever Hans.

Secondly, you have done nothing to explain how clever Hans is displayed in this scenario. You deny implying Grime acted deliberately and then claim it needs no sub conscious act from Grime. How then can you attribute clever Hans to this scenario? It's a pretty simple question which only arose after you suggested the reason was clever Hans.

Thirdly, please explain how you think Eddie is doing his job if clever Hans is occurring? His job is to sniff a scent.

Firstly, I answered for myself ~ last time I looked, this was a ‘discussion’ forum; Ferryman needs no-one to answer on his behalf as he does it very well for himself.     

Secondly, I suggest you read up on the clever Hans scenario as you obviously have no idea what it implies: which certainly is not duplicity on the part of the handler.

Thirdly, Eddie sniffed – Eddie alerted to what he thought was appropriate – as far as Eddie was concerned – job done.

That’s what dogs and handlers do – they find things – it is then up to forensics to corroborate what they find and it will further be decided whether or not it can be used in evidence.

Instead of firing off a series of non-seqitur questions and demanding answers - why not instead do your own research and respond with something along the lines of " I disagree because ... why did you reach that conclusion? ... you have misunderstood ... etc; etc;"
I find your style agressive and designed to shut down rather than to open discussion.  Just imo.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1113 on: June 10, 2014, 07:33:44 PM »
Go back to the original question - are the dogs reliable?
The answer is yes, pretty much so.
Then go to the question -what FORENSIC evidence did the PJ have against the McCanns prior to 2nd August?
The answer is none. And remains none, even after 7 years.
It seems quite simple to me what happened.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1114 on: June 10, 2014, 07:44:32 PM »
Actually those ARE Grime's words.

No they are not grimes words...they are an unnoficial translation from another translation

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1115 on: June 10, 2014, 07:54:17 PM »
So the whole thing was mistranslated and Grime never spoke about Eddie barking?

Of course he did...but we don't know how accurate that double translation is...but we do know that grime does not confirm any of the alerts

stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1116 on: June 10, 2014, 08:22:05 PM »
Of course he did...but we don't know how accurate that double translation is...but we do know that grime does not confirm any of the alerts

Where does Grime exactly say the dogs reactions could not have indicated Madeleine's remains ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1117 on: June 10, 2014, 08:26:44 PM »
Where does Grime exactly say the dogs reactions could not have indicated Madeleine's remains ?

who made that statement

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1118 on: June 10, 2014, 08:28:16 PM »
Where does Grime exactly say the dogs reactions could not have indicated Madeleine's remains ?

I think we can all confirm no remains were alerted to as there were none found

stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1119 on: June 10, 2014, 08:31:16 PM »
you ask the question then you answer it...

So where does Grime say the dogs could not have alerted to Madeleine's remains ?

It's a perfectly simple question davel. 8)-)))

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1120 on: June 10, 2014, 08:32:10 PM »
So where does Grime say the dogs could not have alerted to Madeleine's remains ?

It's a perfectly simple question davel. 8)-)))

why are you directing that question at me...lets make it simple for you

stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1121 on: June 10, 2014, 08:33:12 PM »
why are you directing that question at me...lets make it simple for you

It's an open ended question and didn't have to reply, did you ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1122 on: June 10, 2014, 08:34:54 PM »
It's an open ended question and didn't have to reply, did you ?

I think its  a stupid question...why are you interested in what grime didn't say...whats important is what he did say

stephen25000

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1123 on: June 10, 2014, 08:37:33 PM »
I think its  a stupid question...why are you interested in what grime didn't say...whats important is what he did say

Of course you think it's stupid , because you can't answer it.

 8)--))

..and it doesn't suit your agenda.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1124 on: June 10, 2014, 08:39:08 PM »
Of course you think it's stupid , because you can't answer it.

 8)--))

..and it doesn't suit your agenda.

no I think its stupid...as I said I am not interested in what grime didn't say...just what he did say