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Offline John

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1140 on: July 03, 2014, 12:17:58 PM »
I fear too much time has passed and too much water has run under that particular bridge for any dog reactions to be taken seriously at this stage.  What is a game changer however is the finding of a cadaver.
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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1141 on: July 03, 2014, 02:24:05 PM »
If the dogs react as per training and it is a very big if ... imo it will not signify a definite connection to Madeleine. 
It is an indication that closer investigation must take place to identify exactly what it is the dogs have reacted to.

Without evidence to tell us exactly what ... their reaction means nothing.

Martin Grime said exactly that but in more professional language.  Pity so many people chose to ignore him.
And of course if the dogs do alert to the suspects' cars then it will be interesting to read what the dog champions amongst us have to say about that!  Dogs Don't Lie!

Offline Eleanor

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1142 on: July 03, 2014, 02:47:35 PM »

In the absence of an actual cadaver the time lapse seems to be about 30 days for the scent to disappear.  Unless of course, the cadaver is kept in one place for some considerable length of time, in which case it could well be longer.  I don't have any real thoughts on how long, but it won't be forever.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1143 on: July 03, 2014, 04:09:26 PM »
In the absence of an actual cadaver the time lapse seems to be about 30 days for the scent to disappear.  Unless of course, the cadaver is kept in one place for some considerable length of time, in which case it could well be longer.  I don't have any real thoughts on how long, but it won't be forever.

Can you provide a cite for that?
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Offline Carew

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1144 on: July 03, 2014, 04:16:34 PM »
If the dogs react as per training and it is a very big if ... imo it will not signify a definite connection to Madeleine. 
It is an indication that closer investigation must take place to identify exactly what it is the dogs have reacted to.

Without evidence to tell us exactly what ... their reaction means nothing.

Martin Grime said exactly that but in more professional language.  Pity so many people chose to ignore him.

It does, however, tell us the dogs reacted.........or did not.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1145 on: July 03, 2014, 04:24:55 PM »
Can you provide a cite for that?

There are several mentions of this on this Forum.  Try the Search Facility.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1146 on: July 03, 2014, 04:27:20 PM »
There are several mentions of this on this Forum.  Try the Search Facility.

I asked for a cite not a mention. Some external source maybe?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1147 on: July 03, 2014, 04:36:48 PM »
I asked for a cite not a mention. Some external source maybe?

Kate's Book.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1148 on: July 03, 2014, 04:38:21 PM »
Kate's Book.

I will bite....

A reliable source?

If scent is so transitory, why have the dogs been brought in again to sniff cars?
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Offline jassi

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1149 on: July 03, 2014, 04:42:13 PM »
A good question. SY must think it worthwhile, unless they are just going through a tick list of things to do.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1150 on: July 03, 2014, 04:45:25 PM »
I will bite....

A reliable source?

If scent is so transitory, why have the dogs been brought in again to sniff cars?

Precisely.  A bit pointless, don't you think.  That is what I was responding to.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1151 on: July 03, 2014, 04:57:01 PM »
I will bite....

A reliable source?

If scent is so transitory, why have the dogs been brought in again to sniff cars?

have the dogs been brought in to sniff the cars

Offline jassi

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1152 on: July 03, 2014, 05:02:11 PM »
have the dogs been brought in to sniff the cars

Yes, according to the Daily Mirror.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1153 on: July 03, 2014, 05:14:41 PM »
I will bite....

A reliable source?

If scent is so transitory, why have the dogs been brought in again to sniff cars?

There has been nothing officially said about what the dogs' work is going to involve.  Whether it is for continued investigation of outdoor sites, vehicles or residences or in the event of information from the interviews; we are just going to have to wait and see how they are deployed.  Even then we won't have a clue why they will be doing whatever it is the Met wants them to unless someone takes time out to tell us officially, and I don't think that is going to happen.
The Met are working - not putting on a show for us.
Maybe the 'source close to the investigation' doesn't know half what is supposed particularly as a lot of its 'information' has been unhelpful to say the least.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1154 on: July 03, 2014, 09:21:03 PM »
There has been nothing officially said about what the dogs' work is going to involve.  Whether it is for continued investigation of outdoor sites, vehicles or residences or in the event of information from the interviews; we are just going to have to wait and see how they are deployed.  Even then we won't have a clue why they will be doing whatever it is the Met wants them to unless someone takes time out to tell us officially, and I don't think that is going to happen.
The Met are working - not putting on a show for us.
Maybe the 'source close to the investigation' doesn't know half what is supposed particularly as a lot of its 'information' has been unhelpful to say the least.

SY have got something, alright.