Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[Wonderfulspam]

if by winning you mean that the police have stopped treating the mccanns as suspects and are now trying to find the criminal that is responsible for Maddie's disappearance...then yes...I find that deeply satisfying

IMO this fact proves that Eddie was alerting to Mr Gordons near fatal shaving accident.

[Carew]

high five Sadie

Only one "high five?"..............Not enough expletives to make it satisfying enough for a row of flag waving LOL`s?........."Vindictive" a bit low down in the table of insults for you?

[sadie]

if by winning you mean that the police have stopped treating the mccanns as suspects and are now trying to find the criminal that is responsible for Maddie's disappearance...then yes...I find that deeply satisfying

Me too

In fact I am feeling very smug atm 

[Carew]

Correct. The first quote in your post as a contribution to debate is equally bad. I made it very clear that I don't condone such behaviour. No difference between that post or the one from Estuarine. Both seem to suggest that the poster lacks any proper response.

However you then introduce a completely different issue. Kate McCann was not participating in a debate when she used that term. It was a couple of words presented to show the extreme frustration she was feeling. A couple of words in a book of tens of thousands of words but the only two you seem able to focus on. And your silliness about any such dictionary proves my point.

Now back to the topic at hand - the reliability of the dogs.

You miss the point............but never the opportunity to add a touch of pomposity to the mix.

.............On with your "debate", then.......( onwards and upwards)........

[Cariad]

Me too

In fact I am feeling very smug atm 

I find the idea of feeling smug and having a sense of' winning' when a child is missing, very probably dead, highly distasteful.

[sadie]

I find the idea of feeling smug and having a sense of' winning' when a child is missing, very probably dead, highly distasteful.

You've got the wrong end of the stck, my friend.

Try again 

[Carew]

if by winning you mean that the police have stopped treating the mccanns as suspects and are now trying to find the criminal that is responsible for Maddie's disappearance...then yes...I find that deeply satisfying

Utter soft soap and flannel...........You know exactly the context in which the "winning" stood.

If not, maybe you should read more carefully the vile posts you find "satisfying."

[Mr Gray]

Utter soft soap and flannel...........You know exactly the context in which the "winning" stood.

If not, maybe you should read more carefully the vile posts you find "satisfying."

I know exactly what I meant..you don't and are a fool if you think you do

[ferryman]

He (Grime) states that Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood, but he does not say that of Eddie.

'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'


The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

(Martin Grime).

[Mr Gray]

I find the idea of feeling smug and having a sense of' winning' when a child is missing, very probably dead, highly distasteful.

So cariad...do you have a link to support your claim that the dogs were never wrong

[ferryman]

So cariad...do you have a link to support your claim that the dogs were never wrong

I have a link to support my claim that Eddie was wrong, at least once ...

[Mr Gray]

He (Grime) states that Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood, but he does not say that of Eddie.

'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'


The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

(Martin Grime).

There was an interesting post yesterday...is it true that eddie alerts to volatile chemicals...I think he does...and these move around in the air....so he could alert to the presence of blood where there is actually no physical evidence

[Mr Gray]

I have a link to support my claim that Eddie was wrong, at least once ...

This is what irritates me...posters making false claims and reinforcing myths...as far as I am concerned on many occasions when actual remains are not found it is impossible to say the dog is right...but this is what posters want to do

[Carana]

There was an interesting post yesterday...is it true that eddie alerts to volatile chemicals...I think he does...and these move around in the air....so he could alert to the presence of blood where there is actually no physical evidence

I'm not sure what you are referring to. I did post a link to the following yesterday or the day before and I can't find it on here any more, if ever this was what you were thinking of.

Enhanced Characterization of the Smell of Death by Comprehensive Two-Dimensional Gas Chromatography-Time-of-Flight Mass Spectrometry (GCxGC-TOFMS)

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0039005

[pathfinder73]

He (Grime) states that Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood, but he does not say that of Eddie.

'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'


The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

(Martin Grime).

So what's your point?