Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[Anna]

Just in case anyone should be in doubt about Eddie, literally, playing with the toy, this is from the report of PJ Inspector Dias:

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

No dog attending a crime-scene should have physical contact with anything it is tasked to inspect.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

I missed that one FM Thank you 

[Angelo222]

you keep saying...as far as you can recall...you seem to have missed most of the important posts...if grime had direct contact with serendipity who made claims regarding his official statements to the police...who repeated statements that were not in the public domain...then grimes credibility as a witness is shot to pieces...or

serendipity is a fantasist and icad and john have been misled

Nobody has been misled, Serendipity has first hand knowledge of the dogs and Mr Grimes involvement in the case.

[Mr Gray]

Wrong on that one davel.

The police do look at stats, in the case of whether to pursue a case or not.

Surely you realize that.

whether the police pursue a case or not its the evidence in court that counts as amaral has shown. Pursued the mccanns and got nowhere because of alck of evidence

[Mr Gray]

See my posts 103, 177 & 225. Compare those with your erudite response 226 and a plethora of your daily one liners that frequently end in the words "wrong" or "fool".

The thread title is Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable? not "were Eddie and Keela reliable".
So as we are all wrong and fools according to you perhaps you would like to give us your considered opinion on the thread topic taking into account the six or seven authoritative scientific papers on the topic.

You have already asked the question and I have already answered it

[John]

@ John
In view of M. Grime's opinion and your own  - both bolded below, can you say why he is no longer concerned about discussing the case on a public forum - albeit through a 3rd party - particularly as his chosen mouthpiece i.e. Serendipity is an obvious  'sceptic' and whose posts (now whooshed - but possibly screencapped ?) left readers in little doubt of which side of the fence he apparently sits.
 
Is he not concerned that should he have to attend a court case in the future  his participation on this public forum -albeit by proxy -   has compromised his position as an unbiased reliable witness?
 
 
Quote from John
: February 17, 2014, 01:13:25 PM »
We asked Mr Grime to comment on the various accusations but he stated that as the case was still a live ongoing investigation that it would be inappropriate for him to do so.  It could well be that he will have to give evidence at some stage if the case comes to trial. End

 
Johns post of 4thApril
Thank you for replying Serendipity. For far too long Martin has been denied an opportunity to put the record straight.  The claims that he never took dogs to the USA are malicious fabrications.  Can you please confirm which dog or dogs made the trip with Martin?
End.

What on earth are you talking about Benice?  Martin Grime has not commented on any aspect of this case which would in any way compromise his impartiality.  Serendipity on the other hand is free to offer his/her opinion based on first hand knowledge of the dogs and their deployments. They have already exposed the 'poacher' as an imposter.

I hope to have some photos of the dogs in action very soon, photos which have never ever been seen in public before.  Then we will see who is the fantasist. 

[Mr Gray]

Nobody has been misled, Serendipity has first hand knowledge of the dogs and Mr Grimes involvement in the case.

what do you mean by first hand.....

[Mr Gray]

What on earth are you talking about Benice?  Martin Grime has not commented on any aspect of this case which would in any way compromise his impartiality.  Serendipity on the other hand is free to offer his/her opinion based on first hand knowledge of the dogs and their deployments. They have already exposed the 'poacher' as an imposter.

I hope to have some photos of the dogs in action very soon, photos which have never ever been seen in public before.  Then we will see who is the fantasist.

Serendipity made posts that expressed her opinion but also Martin Grime's. She also made a post claiming that Grime was pressured to put those caveats...re no evidential value.....into his statements.

That's a lot more than her expressing her own opinion which no one would have problem with

[Benice]

What on earth are you talking about Benice?  Martin Grime has not commented on any aspect of this case which would in any way compromise his impartiality.   Serendipity on the other hand is free to offer his/her opinion based on first hand knowledge of the dogs and their deployments. They have already exposed the 'poacher' as an imposter.

I hope to have some photos of the dogs in action very soon, photos which have never ever been seen in public before.  Then we will see who is the fantasist.

I disagree.  However, the posts from Serendipity which IMO may have compromised M.Grime's impartiality have been deleted.  May I ask why?

[Mr Gray]

A lack of evidence does not mean there is no involvement in a crime.

Next.

it doesn't do much for the court case though

[Mr Gray]

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The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann (3) from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugual on 3 May 2007. / Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« on: February 17, 2014, 09:08:01 PM »


Quote from: davel on February 17, 2014, 09:03:46 PM

All of no significance after what Grime said about the evrd alerts



You know something, not once in all the cases that Martin and his dogs attended prior to May 2007 was he asked to place so much emphasis on corroborative forensics in a report despite the fact that the dogs had never been wrong ever.  But he was asked to emphasise in this case. Strange huh.



Just so there is no misunderstanding...serendipity's post in red....not just quoting her own opinion

[Mr Gray]

No! you gave a reason why you couldn't be bothered to answer it. That is not quite the same.

no I did answer it...and this is approx. what I said...


these dogs are extremely reliable at finding evidence....cadaver..blood explosives..drugs...what we don't know and I suspect all those articles you posted don't address is what the alerts signify if no evidence is found...having said that Grime has already told us...no findy evidence...alert of no evidential value

[Estuarine]

no I did answer it...and this is approx. what I said...


these dogs are extremely reliable at finding evidence....cadaver..blood explosives..drugs...what we don't know and I suspect all those articles you posted don't address is what the alerts signify if no evidence is found...having said that Grime has already told us...no findy evidence...alert of no evidential value

I did suggest you might like to read and give an opinion based on those documents. Twice now you have failed to take that into consideration and prejudge the documents without having read them. You have not answered the question asked. Don't bother now as it is apparent either you cannot or will not. Why keep quoting Grime?. The thread extends a bit beyond one man and two dogs.

[Mr Gray]

I did suggest you might like to read and give an opinion based on those documents. Twice now you have failed to take that into consideration and prejudge the documents without having read them. You have not answered the question asked. Don't bother now as it is apparent either you cannot or will not. Why keep quoting Grime?. The thread extends a bit beyond one man and two dogs.

I guarantee the articles will simply tell us how good the dogs are at finding evidence...why should I bother reading totally irrelevant articles. Grime has told us all we need to know. The dogs are very good at finding evidence...that's it..everybody already knows that...we don't need to read any articles..In PDL no evidence was found

[Mr Moderator]

I don't think you could have read all the posts...I seem to remember some where she claimed to be in direct touch with grime

A claim that I know to be 100% true.  Hopefully Martin will be able to confirm much of this in due course.

[gilet]

Both Eddie and Keela were taken to the USA by Martin for training.

As other posters are expected to cite references for such claims could you please provide some link or source for that information?