Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[ferryman]

Unlike some, i don't cherry-pick which alerts I see as interesting. Eddie alerted correctly at the car and behind the sofa. How peculiar that his other alerts are so vehemently attacked.

Neither do I.  More time spent in apartment 5a than all the other apartments combined.

Why is that?

[G-Unit]

Neither do I.  More time spent in apartment 5a than all the other apartments combined.

Why is that?

I haven't examined the time spent in each place, but I would assume that as soon as an alert occurs that site receives a lot of attention as a result. That could be why.

[mercury]

I haven't examined the time spent in each place, but I would assume that as soon as an alert occurs that site receives a lot of attention as a result. That could be why.

The time between Eddie entering 5a and alerting to the wardrobe area was no different to the time he had spent in the other flats with no alert (talking around 5 mins or so) so you're on the right track IMO, plus the fact Grime noticed that Eddie changed his behaviour immediately at the start of the 5a search but did not make the same comment about him at any of the other apartments...there is a list of times in the files somewhere, if someone doesn't beat me to it will have a look for them tomorrow

[ferryman]

I haven't examined the time spent in each place, but I would assume that as soon as an alert occurs that site receives a lot of attention as a result. That could be why.

Nope.

Not when you look at the other inspection (of the vehicles), the only one where Grime wore the anti-cross contamination gear of his trade and was handed that video for personal, promotional, purposes, AND where there was a marked preoccupation with just one vehicle (the one with findMadeleine stickers plastered all over the back).

[pegasus]

Nope.

Not when you look at the other inspection (of the vehicles), the only one where Grime wore the anti-cross contamination gear of his trade and was handed that video for personal, promotional, purposes, AND where there was a marked preoccupation with just one vehicle (the one with findMadeleine stickers plastered all over the back).

But the vehicle inspection in Portimão was not a test of one suspected vehicle and numerous known-clean vehicles. All the vehicles were of interest. Have a look at Eddie's inspection of a Hyundai Lantra at Strabane police station - that car stood out like a very sore burnt thumb didn't it? Does that invalidate Eddie's alert to it?

[ferryman]

But the vehicle inspection in Portimão was not a test of one suspected vehicle and numerous known-clean vehicles. All the vehicles were of interest. Have a look at Eddie's inspection of a Hyundai Lantra at Strabane police station - that car stood out like a very sore burnt thumb didn't it? Does that invalidate Eddie's alert to it?

Don't know anything about that other inspection you refer to?

[pegasus]

Don't know anything about that other inspection you refer to?

In Strabane NI, Eddie alerted to a red Hyundai Lantra which stood out like a sore thumb - it was torched - burnt out.

[ferryman]

In Strabane NI, Eddie alerted to a red Hyundai Lantra which stood out like a sore thumb - it was torched - burnt out.

Ah.

Is this the Attracta Harron case?

[pegasus]

Ah.

Is this the Attracta Harron case?

Yes and a car that stuck out far more than by having a few posters in the window.

[mercury]

Here you go g-unit, as promised

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm#2054

Eddie alert within a few minutes hence his extended stay in THAT apartment
Gnite

[G-Unit]

Nope.

Not when you look at the other inspection (of the vehicles), the only one where Grime wore the anti-cross contamination gear of his trade and was handed that video for personal, promotional, purposes, AND where there was a marked preoccupation with just one vehicle (the one with findMadeleine stickers plastered all over the back).

The handler knows his dog and the dog's body language. He behaved differently when he approached that car, just as he behaved differently at the door to G5A. That tells the handler the dog could be in scent, so the handler then directs the dog to search more closely.

[ferryman]

The handler knows his dog and the dog's body language. He behaved differently when he approached that car, just as he behaved differently at the door to G5A. That tells the handler the dog could be in scent, so the handler then directs the dog to search more closely.

The handler knows how to read ....

[Mr Gray]

The handler knows how to read ....

However hard the sceptics try to convince themselves that the alerts have any value the fact remains that they have no evidential value or reliability

[stephen25000]

However hard the sceptics try to convince themselves that the alerts have any value the fact remains that they have no evidential value or reliability

 

So that's why gerry mccann tried to bring up the subject at the trial, because it wasn't important.

[Benice]

The handler knows his dog and the dog's body language. He behaved differently when he approached that car, just as he behaved differently at the door to G5A. That tells the handler the dog could be in scent, so the handler then directs the dog to search more closely.

How was Eddie's behaviour 'different' when he inspected the Renault?   IIRC he circled the car and then moved off - in exactly the same way he did with the other cars.  He showed no more interest in the Renault than he did in any other car - until he was repeatedly called back and  made to 'concentrate' on the Renault.

My argument is that if Eddie, with his ability to detect minute traces of alertable material, had been required by his handler to give the same amount of attention to the other cars, then alerts may well have resulted from one or more of those vehicles. 

IMO it was Martin Grime's behaviour (not Eddie's) which changed when he reached the one car which was clearly identifiable as belonging to the McCanns.