Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[ferryman]

Might not the Portuguese legal system be more relevant?

Since Portugal does not routinely use sniffer dogs that detect human remains, I doubt they will have legislation governing use of such dogs.

And certainly the Portuguese prosecutors stated that uncorroborated dog-reactions had no evidential value.

As did both Grime and Harrison in their reports.

[pegasus]

Since Portugal does not routinely use sniffer dogs that detect human remains, I doubt they will have legislation governing use of such dogs.

And certainly the Portuguese prosecutors stated that uncorroborated dog-reactions had no evidential value.

As did both Grime and Harrison in their reports.

Yes but if any perp is ever tried it is likely to be in Portugal, where portuguese law will determine to what extent the dog alerts will be considered, even if there are no previous portuguese cases to refer to. I see no reason at all to predict the case would be tried in any other country, do you?

[mercury]

Eddie alerted to an item forensically determined neither to be from a human cadaver or a pig.  Therefore Eddie alerted to something outwith his training parameters.  Therefore all Eddie's 'alerts' are questionable and as a result are unreliable.

But that is not quite right is it?

Eddie alerted
The anthropologist identified an item found as being from a child's skull (which by the way was probably outside the tme parameters of the investigation)
The tests conducted by the Lab it was sent to showed it contained collagen
The item was passed around illegally and with no records kept
When it was returned weeks and weeks later  the anthropologist noted it looked like a different item in size texture and weight
The myth was created that the item found was coconut and the rest is history

Unless you are willing to call the Deputy Chief Officer at the time and the anthropologist liars

I have IIRC in the past directed you to a video confirming all the above from the horse's mouth to boot

[stephen25000]

But that is not quite right is it?

Eddie alerted
The anthropologist identified an item found as being from a child's skull (which by the way was probably outside the tme parameters of the investigation)
The tests conducted by the Lab it was sent to showed it contained collagen
The item was passed around illegally and with no records kept
When it was returned weeks and weeks later  the anthropologist noted it looked like a different item in size texture and weight
The myth was created that the item found was coconut and the rest is history

Unless you are willing to call the Deputy Chief Officer at the time and the anthropologist liars

I have IIRC in the past directed you to a video confirming all the above from the horse's mouth to boot

Well, would ferryman care to answer that ?

[Mr Gray]

But that is not quite right is it?

Eddie alerted
The anthropologist identified an item found as being from a child's skull (which by the way was probably outside the tme parameters of the investigation)
The tests conducted by the Lab it was sent to showed it contained collagen
The item was passed around illegally and with no records kept
When it was returned weeks and weeks later  the anthropologist noted it looked like a different item in size texture and weight
The myth was created that the item found was coconut and the rest is history

Unless you are willing to call the Deputy Chief Officer at the time and the anthropologist liars

I have IIRC in the past directed you to a video confirming all the above from the horse's mouth to boot

a child's skull does not contain 1.6% collagen

[stephen25000]

a child's skull does not contain 1.6% collagen

A coconut has none.

[mercury]

a child's skull does not contain 1.6% collagen

The  point is that there was collagen, if you want to argue the percentage toss in a fragment or a whole go ahead but its called deflection

[Mr Gray]

A coconut has none.

where is the report claiming collagen was found

[Mr Gray]

The  point is that there was collagen, if you want to argue the percentage toss in a fragment or a whole go ahead but its called deflection

wheres the report

[mercury]

wheres the report

Are you callng Lenny Harper a liar?

[Mr Gray]

Are you callng Lenny Harper a liar?

you mean there is no report

[Mr Gray]

A coconut has none.

do you have a cite that collagen was present

[mercury]

you mean there is no report

Its rude to put words into people's mouths and your assumptions are just that, assumptions

What I meant was exactly what I typed, asking you a question, are you calling him a liar? Must be some reason you won't take the word of the chief officer on the case and demanding reports. I suggest you watch the video of him detailing the facts, he was the person on the ground, after all.

[Mr Gray]

Its rude to put words into people's mouths and your assumptions are just that, assumptions

What I meant was exactly what I typed, asking you a question, are you calling him a liar? Must be some reason you won't take the word of the chief officer on the case and demanding reports. I suggest you watch the video of him detailing the facts, he was the person on the ground, after all.

I would need to know what he said...as you have misquoted people in the past....so do you have  a link to a quote or are you just making things up

[mercury]

I would need to know what he said...as you have misquoted people in the past....so do you have  a link to a quote or are you just making things up

Yes I do