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Offline Benice

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1065 on: January 29, 2015, 10:24:50 AM »
I'm not the one harbouring delusions about the mccanns and co., cooperating with the investigation.

You are.

They have had every opportunity to take part in a re-enactment in the last few years.

As to logic, the only thing you display is protection of the mccanns are all costs.

I await your inevitable reply.

I await your description of how the re-enactment could be achieved with the degree of accuracy that would be necessary from each person in order to recreate their movements of a year before - minute by minute  - when 9 of the 10 people didn't know what times they did different things - and could only give approximations.

For instance explain how the PJ would deal with the problem of JT not knowing whether it was 5 or 10 minutes, or sometime inbetween that she left the table after Gerry.     If she got it wrong and went only ONE minute earlier than she had a year earlier  - then she could have reached the top of the street before Gerry had even left the apartment.  What would the PJ have done about that?     

Keeping in mind  they were only going to get one go at this recon  - how would the PJ have dealt with the inaccurate recreation which, because 9 people could only give approx times, would have inevitably been the result IMO     Do tell.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1066 on: January 29, 2015, 12:46:05 PM »
I await your description of how the re-enactment could be achieved with the degree of accuracy that would be necessary from each person in order to recreate their movements of a year before - minute by minute  - when 9 of the 10 people didn't know what times they did different things - and could only give approximations.

For instance explain how the PJ would deal with the problem of JT not knowing whether it was 5 or 10 minutes, or sometime inbetween that she left the table after Gerry.     If she got it wrong and went only ONE minute earlier than she had a year earlier  - then she could have reached the top of the street before Gerry had even left the apartment.  What would the PJ have done about that?     

Keeping in mind  they were only going to get one go at this recon  - how would the PJ have dealt with the inaccurate recreation which, because 9 people could only give approx times, would have inevitably been the result IMO     Do tell.

Ricardo Paiva who acted as a liaison officer for the Drs McCann because of his command of English, who dined with them, who invited them to his house and whose children played with his children ... reported nothing suspicious or untoward in their behaviour.

Thus the first plank in the process of justification in arousing suspicion was his allegation that Kate had a dream.

Not any observation of word or deed ... but the allegation which is denied by Dr McCann ... "that Kate had a dream."

Didn't quite see that in the guidlines for FLO ... there again the practice in Portugal may be quite different.

 http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/crime/2008/200809-cba-family-liaison-officer.pdf


The second plank in the process was the DNA fiasco ...

**snip

DNA samples that are a "100 per cent match" to Madeleine McCann have been found in her parents' hire car and holiday apartment, it has been claimed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html

**snip

But the final report from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham several weeks later said that the DNA evidence in the case was inconclusive, and did not support the police's theory.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036898/The-dodgy-DNA-evidence-lead-McCanns-suspects.html#ixzz3QDEuCbb5

Not forgetting the "evidence" of the dogs.

**snip

It is clear from reading the police files that form the basis of this review that the hypothesis that Madeleine had been accidentally killed, and her body hidden, took on a greater significance when the police were under greater pressure, and after the use of “Cadaver Dogs”.

Recommendation - The use of cadaver dogs should be very carefully considered by any future senior investigating officer. Also when used very careful consideration should be given to relying solely on their evidence

http://williams-thomas.co.uk/sites/default/files/Review%20of%20Madeleiene%20McCann%20Investigation.pdf


Now all that is left of the PJ case to justify making the Drs McCann arguidos are alleged "discrepancies" in their statements.

What better way would there have been of illustrating those alleged discrepancies than to have had everyone running around like headless chickens in a reconstitution that was doomed to failure right from the start ... but one man's failure may be another man's success.

There was a reason behind the demand for this reconstitution which I  thought was to enable justification to have the case shelved with the blame firmly passed from the PJ to others (and as this thread proves ... that seems to have worked a treat) but maybe that wasn't the rationale behind it at all.



« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 12:50:42 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1067 on: January 29, 2015, 12:53:46 PM »
Now all that is left of the PJ case to justify making the Drs McCann arguidos are alleged "discrepancies" in their statements.


"It was Madeleine's father who was the last one to see her alive.

"The family is a lead that should be followed.

The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-should-be-treated-as-suspects-brit-200689


Someone should have told him that there aren't any.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1068 on: January 29, 2015, 01:10:54 PM »
Supposing, as is a pretty nearly forgone conclusion, The McCanns and Friends didn't manage to be precisely where they were supposed to be at the very hard to define time, would this have made them guilty in the eyes of The PJ?

No wonder The Friends didn't very much fancy going.  They could all have been locked up for the sake of half a minute.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1069 on: January 29, 2015, 03:54:05 PM »

Will you please stay On Topic.

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1070 on: January 29, 2015, 04:00:19 PM »
Here is the bottom line.

The mccanns and the rest did not do a Reconstruction, and there was and is no excuse.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1071 on: January 29, 2015, 04:14:24 PM »
Here is the bottom line.

The mccanns and the rest did not do a Reconstruction, and there was and is no excuse.
There were very good reasons for not doing one which have been covered at length in preceding posts.  Shall we go over them all over again?

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1072 on: January 29, 2015, 04:17:39 PM »
There were very good reasons for not doing one which have been covered at length in preceding posts.  Shall we go over them all over again?

That is your opinion and a few others.

It isn't mine.

The truth is they chickened out.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1073 on: January 29, 2015, 04:21:56 PM »
The concept of a couple with the level of high level support that they enjoyed feeling concerned about being fixed up in an EU country is laughable.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1074 on: January 29, 2015, 04:22:34 PM »
That is your opinion and a few others.

It isn't mine.

The truth is they chickened out.
No, that is your opinion, not the truth - please learn the difference between the two.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1075 on: January 29, 2015, 04:25:12 PM »
The concept of a couple with the level of high level support that they enjoyed feeling concerned about being fixed up in an EU country is laughable.
So, when they were made arguidos, secretly they were laughing cos they knew the high-ups would protect them, right? 

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1076 on: January 29, 2015, 04:28:45 PM »
No, that is your opinion, not the truth - please learn the difference between the two.

No, they chickened out.

That is my and others opinions.


Just like yours in an opinion and no more than that.
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stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1077 on: January 29, 2015, 04:34:52 PM »
The McCann's and associates have had every opportunity to avail themselves of the opportunity to do  a re-enactment.

They never did and never will.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1078 on: January 29, 2015, 04:38:37 PM »
The McCann's and associates have had every opportunity to avail themselves of the opportunity to do  a re-enactment.

They never did and never will.
Do you think it likely the Met and the PJ requested them to return to Portugal to do a reconstruction as part of Operation Grange?

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1079 on: January 29, 2015, 04:53:07 PM »
Do you think it likely the Met and the PJ requested them to return to Portugal to do a reconstruction as part of Operation Grange?

Well the PJ did before, as to the Met ????

Back at square one.