The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[pathfinder73]

Well at least Gerry's check would have come before the fiasco when the flip floppin ninja sneaked past them both.

[slartibartfast]

So, when they were made arguidos, secretly they were laughing cos they knew the high-ups would protect them, right?

If they were innocent, yes.

[pathfinder73]

And what about Gerry?

He justifies some of the time with a trip to the toilet. That is not five minutes, then he meets another individual outside. Hence the need for the reconstruction. To find out how long it took them to get to the apartments, what route they walked, etc. (GA)

Gerry was confused on what route he walked. He couldn't tell the front from the back    I wonder how far you can quickly walk in 5 minutes  &%+((£

[stephen25000]

Two words summing up the McCann's and some of their associates.......


SELF PROTECTION.

[pathfinder73]

Jane Tanner is an unreliable witness but she sure wasn't helping Gerry here or if she was it backfired spectacularly. She told that Kate said he was watching football to explain his long absence.

4078    “And can you remember, as you past them or thought to acknowledge them, then you noticed they were deep in conversation, can you remember which angle you saw them from, which way they were facing?”
Reply    “No, I, phew, again, I would probably guess Gerry’s back was more towards me, because I would have thought if I’d have seen him I would have definitely probably stopped and said ‘Oh you’re in trouble, you’ve been long, we think you’ve been watching the footy’, you know, but.  Because I think that’s almost when I went to acknowledge them, that’s almost what went through my head, you know, is to sort of give a bit of abuse about the fact he’d been so long, but.  So I would imagine his, maybe his back was to me, but.  And, again, in that way, that would make more sense, because I don’t know Jez, so it’s not like I would have gone ‘Oh hi Jez’, you know, that way, so.  Yeah, I, I honestly, I can’t remember now which way they were.  But I do, I stand by the fact I’m sure they were nearer than right over here”.

Now do you believe Gerry wanted to go back and do a reconstruction. No chance was he going back to do a reconstruction. You can see him getting annoyed in the Sky interview - why has the date been released....blah...blah...blah. Maybe SY should ask again!

And what about Gerry?

He justifies some of the time with a trip to the toilet. That is not five minutes, then he meets another individual outside. Hence the need for the reconstruction. To find out how long it took them to get to the apartments, what route they walked, etc. (GA)

[Brietta]

Jane Tanner is an unreliable witness but she sure wasn't helping Gerry here or if she was it backfired spectacularly. She told that Kate said he was watching football to explain his long absence.

4078    “And can you remember, as you past them or thought to acknowledge them, then you noticed they were deep in conversation, can you remember which angle you saw them from, which way they were facing?”
Reply    “No, I, phew, again, I would probably guess Gerry’s back was more towards me, because I would have thought if I’d have seen him I would have definitely probably stopped and said ‘Oh you’re in trouble, you’ve been long, we think you’ve been watching the footy’, you know, but.  Because I think that’s almost when I went to acknowledge them, that’s almost what went through my head, you know, is to sort of give a bit of abuse about the fact he’d been so long, but.  So I would imagine his, maybe his back was to me, but.  And, again, in that way, that would make more sense, because I don’t know Jez, so it’s not like I would have gone ‘Oh hi Jez’, you know, that way, so.  Yeah, I, I honestly, I can’t remember now which way they were.  But I do, I stand by the fact I’m sure they were nearer than right over here”.

Now do you believe Gerry wanted to go back and do a reconstruction. No chance was he going back to do a reconstruction. You can see him getting annoyed in the Sky interview - why has the date been released....blah...blah...blah. Maybe SY should ask again!

And what about Gerry?

He justifies some of the time with a trip to the toilet. That is not five minutes, then he meets another individual outside. Hence the need for the reconstruction. To find out how long it took them to get to the apartments, what route they walked, etc. (GA)

Your posts seem to indicate that you are of the opinion that constant repetition of discredited myths will suddenly make them come true.

Dr Gerry McCann is on record as having agreed to return to Portugal to participate in a reconstitution.

I would also point out that there are occasions when it will be necessary for him to visit a toilet ... what a disgrace that on this particular occasion he omitted to take a stopwatch to time his visit ... in fact what were they all thinking about by not timing their every move on the 3rd of May 2007 !! and how dare two people say they didn't see a third when that was what happened.
We discussed it to death on a recent thread ... but why let that get in the way of a perfectly good prejudice.

When the sighting of a man carrying a child as detailed by Jane Tanner was investigated properly it was found that contrary to the popular forum belief that he was an invention ... it was found that he actually did exist.

That information would have been uncovered by elementary detective work in 2007 if anyone had really bothered ... pity it had to wait nearly seven years to come to light.

[pathfinder73]

Your posts seem to indicate that you are of the opinion that constant repetition of discredited myths will suddenly make them come true.

Dr Gerry McCann is on record as having agreed to return to Portugal to participate in a reconstitution.

I would also point out that there are occasions when it will be necessary for him to visit a toilet ... what a disgrace that on this particular occasion he omitted to take a stopwatch to time his visit ... in fact what were they all thinking about by not timing their every move on the 3rd of May 2007 !! and how dare two people say they didn't see a third when that was what happened.
We discussed it to death on a recent thread ... but why let that get in the way of a perfectly good prejudice.

When the sighting of a man carrying a child as detailed by Jane Tanner was investigated properly it was found that contrary to the popular forum belief that he was an invention ... it was found that he actually did exist.

That information would have been uncovered by elementary detective work in 2007 if anyone had really bothered ... pity it had to wait nearly seven years to come to light.

The friends were gonna do whatever the McCanns wanted. That is clear! The McCanns said yes but they're friends said no. Go figure.

He did use a key to enter in my hypothesis after his walk. But that looks extremely stupid if he said the patio door was unlocked so it had to be changed. That doesn't wash with good detectives when they have an unknown gap in the timeline hence the need for a reconstruction with the people involved not actors or computer software.

[Brietta]

The friends were gonna do whatever the McCanns wanted. That is clear! The McCanns said yes but they're friends said no. Go figure.

The friends were entitled to make their own decision on the advisability of attending a reconstitution or not, and consultation with their lawyers seems to have assisted them in this.

It seems that Jez Wilkins whose brief acquaintance was made on that holiday also made the decision not to return for his own reasons.

It remains that you are straying from the fact of the matter that Dr Gerry and Dr Kate McCann had arranged to return to Portugal for the reconstitution ... I think it is probably an ingrained prejudicial factor in you which cannot see that their friends had very good personal reasons for not returning.

Now you go figure what those may have been since I am sure you will be familiar with the press leaks featuring them from sources close to the PJ which were in vogue at the time ... and which later resulted in damage payments for defamation.

[Lyall]

It remains that you are straying from the fact of the matter that Dr Gerry and Dr Kate McCann had arranged to return to Portugal for the reconstitution ...

 &%+((£

Did they return then?

[DCI]

&%+((£

Did they return then?

No, they were told not to go. Read emails from Rebelo.

[Lyall]

No, they were told not to go. Read emails from Rebelo.

Most of the concerns the others expressed were to do with the arguido status of the McCanns.

They could have set an example, early in April. They could have returned and demonstrated look, we're not worried.

[faithlilly]

Most of the concerns the others expressed were to do with the arguido status of the McCanns.

They could have set an example, early in April. They could have returned and demonstrated look, we're not worried.

But that would have been a lie.

[Carana]

Someone has yet to explain to me how this reconstruction would have demonstrated guilt or innocence...

[Angelo222]

Someone has yet to explain to me how this reconstruction would have demonstrated guilt or innocence...

For a start it would have exposed the liars.

[ferryman]

Someone has yet to explain to me how this reconstruction would have demonstrated guilt or innocence...

It can't, because, second time around, nothing can ever be precisely replicated as it happened first time.

The analogy I always use is the shooting dead of Brazilian Jean-Paul de Menezes at the Stockwell Underground Tube station.

Eye-witnesses "saw" a man with leads trailing under a heavyweight, thick, knee-length coat, pole-volt barriers, dash on to the train pursued by surveillance officers, be pinned to the floor and be shot dead.

The reality?

Jean-Paul de Menezes made a leisurely entrance onto the platform, wearing a light-weight denim jacket, stopped to buy a paper, boarded the train in an orthodox way, was pounced on, was pinned to the floor and was shot.

That reality was established by examining close-circuit TV recording of actual events as they unfolded.

What chance a "reconstitution" of revealing the (true!) sequence of events?

Nil, I would suggest ...