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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1320 on: January 31, 2016, 07:39:25 PM »
Reconstructions (that is proper ones!) are about jogging memories, encouraging witnesses to come forward, generating leads.

Not proper ones, just UK ones.
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ferryman

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1321 on: January 31, 2016, 07:40:30 PM »
Not proper ones, just UK ones.

The UK do proper reconstructions .,..

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1322 on: January 31, 2016, 07:56:56 PM »
The UK do proper reconstructions .,..

Didn't say they didn't, just that Portugal does proper ones too only different.
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ferryman

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1323 on: January 31, 2016, 09:09:24 PM »
Didn't say they didn't, just that Portugal does proper ones too only different.

Not if the purpose to try to determine guilt or innocence (of the accused) ....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1324 on: August 29, 2016, 11:21:19 AM »
With careful planning a reconstruction could have been informative.

A moving door was proposed as possibly showing that someone entered the apartment before Gerry's check. That possibility could have been checked out; was there time between Matthew's listening at shutters and Gerry's check. How did the person get in? Would they have heard Gerry coming and had time to hide? Were the available hiding places adequate?

Then we have the Tanner sighting. Was it possible for her to pass people and not be seen or heard? Was it possible for the shutters to be raised without alerting Gerry and Jez? Was it possible for others to pass the raised shutters and not notice? Was it possible for Matthew not to notice from inside the apartment? Was it possible to see children breathing from outside the doorway?

How were the patio doors left? Closed? Open a finger width? Open a hand's width? What was the minimum gap allowing them to be opened from outside? How exactly were they closed from the outside? Grasping the frame, pushing on the glass or what?]

What could be seen from the restaurant? Who sat where? What was the noise level like? What external sounds could be heard?
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Offline Benice

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1325 on: August 29, 2016, 12:14:44 PM »
And the child ? Where is the child in the tapas friend's  self- serving decision ?


IMO If the tapas group thought that a recon would have helped to find Madeleine then they would have gone.

However nothing the PJ told them in reply to their queries convinced them that this would be the case or that 'finding madeleine' was the real reason for the proposed recon.    The group were highly suspicious of the motive behind this recon  - and I for one don't blame them.    Being told not to bring my children into the country would be enough to put me off - full stop.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1326 on: August 29, 2016, 12:31:03 PM »

IMO If the tapas group thought that a recon would have helped to find Madeleine then they would have gone.

However nothing the PJ told them in reply to their queries convinced them that this would be the case or that 'finding madeleine' was the real reason for the proposed recon.    The group were highly suspicious of the motive behind this recon  - and I for one don't blame them.    Being told not to bring my children into the country would be enough to put me off - full stop.

AIMHO

Even if the only outcome of the reconstitution was to rule themselves and their friends out of the investigation and to help the PJ to refocus on other lines of inquiry surely it would have been worth it ? Remember by this time the dreaded Amaral had been removed from the case and Rebelo was coordinator.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1327 on: August 29, 2016, 12:41:18 PM »

IMO If the tapas group thought that a recon would have helped to find Madeleine then they would have gone.

However nothing the PJ told them in reply to their queries convinced them that this would be the case or that 'finding madeleine' was the real reason for the proposed recon.    The group were highly suspicious of the motive behind this recon  - and I for one don't blame them.    Being told not to bring my children into the country would be enough to put me off - full stop.

AIMHO
 
Were they told not to bring their children?  Were they all told not to bring their children?  Did they all get the same letter?
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Offline pegasus

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1328 on: August 29, 2016, 03:14:10 PM »
Were they told not to bring their children?  Were they all told not to bring their children?  Did they all get the same letter?
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Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1329 on: August 29, 2016, 04:25:47 PM »

IMO If the tapas group thought that a recon would have helped to find Madeleine then they would have gone.

However nothing the PJ told them in reply to their queries convinced them that this would be the case or that 'finding madeleine' was the real reason for the proposed recon.    The group were highly suspicious of the motive behind this recon  - and I for one don't blame them.    Being told not to bring my children into the country would be enough to put me off - full stop.

AIMHO


I think the telling point is that Jez Wilkins was also reluctant to return to Portugal and was the first to say so.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1330 on: August 29, 2016, 05:34:48 PM »
(snip) ... Being told not to bring my children into the country would be enough to put me off - full stop ... (snip)
@Benice If someone was flying out to Portugal around the time of the proposed reconstruction but for something completely different like a hendo would taking kid(s) be an essential priority?
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Offline mercury

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1331 on: August 30, 2016, 12:19:31 AM »
@Benice If someone was flying out to Portugal around the time of the proposed reconstruction but for something completely different like a hendo would taking kid(s) be an essential priority?

The idea that the pj tellng them their kids didnt need to come is sinister is preposterous, the reconstruction wouldnt have needed the kids.....what were they gonna do? Remember when they shat their nappies and cried? pffft

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1332 on: August 30, 2016, 01:59:44 AM »
The idea that the pj tellng them their kids didnt need to come is sinister is preposterous, the reconstruction wouldnt have needed the kids.....what were they gonna do? Remember when they shat their nappies and cried? pffft
Had they been ordered to bring their kids it would have been even more interesting.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1333 on: August 30, 2016, 06:28:26 AM »
The idea that the pj tellng them their kids didnt need to come is sinister is preposterous, the reconstruction wouldnt have needed the kids.....what were they gonna do? Remember when they shat their nappies and cried? pffft
I keep finding this statement contradictory.
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