The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[Mr Gray]

I have been round the block a few times and seen some daft things and heard some puerile comments but this is worthy of a Nobel Prize for Inanity.
It was Dr Amaral's fault? How pray.

Makes perfect sense to me. The poster isn't blaming amaral for the abduction but for running a very poor investigation by not looking into the strangers that SY are currently trying to investgate

[Benice]

I have been round the block a few times and seen some daft things and heard some puerile comments but this is worthy of a Nobel Prize for Inanity.
It was Dr Amaral's fault? How pray.

Why be so rude?

Were his officers looking for an abductor once he decided Madeleine died in the apartment and that her parents were complicit in disposing of her body -  or was he concentrating their time on trying to find evidence to convict the parents?     His 'fridge' theory is just one example which should give you a clue.   

[ferryman]

I have been round the block a few times and seen some daft things and heard some puerile comments but this is worthy of a Nobel Prize for Inanity.
It was Dr Amaral's fault? How pray.

My only quibble with Benice's post is that what she states is not so much an opinion as a fact.

From the moment it was decided Kate and Gerry were the culprits, time spent probing the parents was time wasted/missed in trying to track down the true culprits and rescue Madeleine.

[slartibartfast]

From the moment it was decided Kate and Gerry were the culprits, time spent probing the parents was time wasted/missed in trying to track down the true culprits and rescue Madeleine.

You could look at that the other way round.

[Cariad]

My only quibble with Benice's post is that what she states is not so much an opinion as a fact.

From the moment it was decided Kate and Gerry were the culprits, time spent probing the parents was time wasted/missed in trying to track down the true culprits and rescue Madeleine.

You think they'd've done everything to clear themselves and get the PJ looking for their daughter again wouldn't you?

[Albertini]

My only quibble with Benice's post is that what she states is not so much an opinion as a fact.

From the moment it was decided Kate and Gerry were the culprits, time spent probing the parents was time wasted/missed in trying to track down the true culprits and rescue Madeleine.

Well had they taken part in the reconstitution and explained the discrepancies they would have forced the PJ to look elsewhere for suspects.

[John]

On the eve of the arguido interviews the McCanns lawyer called with them and warned them that there was a distinct possibility that one or both could be arrested.  Kate refers to this in her book and recalls thinking what would her parents and friends think.  The other consequence of this meeting was that Gerry was contemplating doing a runner and driving to Spain to escape Amaral.

Little wonder they were too scared to go back.

[Carana]

Well had they taken part in the reconstitution and explained the discrepancies they would have forced the PJ to look elsewhere for suspects.

We discussed this before. Article 276 of the Penal Process Code. There are tight deadlines for an investigation in Portugal: 8 months if there are no arguidos and 6 months if there are. At the end of that period there has to be a decision to either charge someone or shelve it. There had already been extensions in this case: one when the McCanns were made arguidos and then to get all the rogs and what-not back and analysed.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2089.msg68701#msg68701

[Angelo222]

Whatever way you cut it the last seven years have been an eye opener as far as the McCanns and their tapas chums are concerned.  They all wriggled out of doing a proper reconstruction by taking part as they did on 3 May 2007.  Their excuses for doing so are timid and disingenuous to say the least.

Then there is the abysmal approach to searching for a supposedly missing daughter. If I am honest, their conduct is not typical of parents who have had a child abducted.  Their demeanour is more closely associated with a death, make of that what you may.

[gilet]

Whatever way you cut it the last seven years have been an eye opener as far as the McCanns and their tapas chums are concerned.  They all wriggled out of doing a proper reconstruction by taking part as they did on 3 May 2007.  Their excuses for doing so are timid and disingenuous to say the least.

Then there is the abysmal approach to searching for a supposedly missing daughter. If I am honest, their conduct is not typical of parents who have had a child abducted.  Their demeanour is more closely associated with a death, make of that what you may.

Thanks for that insight into your thinking about the case and your personal opinion about the way these people acted.

I trust you are never actually in such a position and have to deal with the problems of the disappearance of a child.

Personally, I don't believe that you can be dogmatic over the way in which people react and that to suggest so is in itself quite disingenous.

I regret that no reconstruction was done but my regret is not only related to the crass way which this one was attempted but also the crass way that the PJ refused to undertake one when it would really have mattered far more.

[Angelo222]

Have you forgotten why Amaral couldn't do one?  The media circus.  Remind me, who was it who started that off?

[Benice]

Maybe someone will explain exactly how an accurate recon. involving 10 people could possibly be achieved  - with no-one except Gerry (9.05)  being able to say for definite what time they did things.   IIRC The recon proposed was to be  a 'one go only' at it starting at 5.30 - until 11.00p.m.

The PJ say to to Jez Wilkins - ''we want you to set off on your walk at the time you set off on May 3rd''    Jez says - ''But I'm not sure what time I set off - so if I get it wrong I could end up missing Gerry completely - and even if I guess it right - how long do Gerry and I stand together - 3mins or 5 mins?   

JT says I'm not sure whether it was 5 mins or 10 mins after Gerry left  when I left the table - if I get it wrong, Gerry could be back at the table before I've left?

The others have the same problems - so what would the PJ's answer to them be?  .  I've asked this question several times - but no Sceptic has ever responded.

IMO the PJ knew the chances of the group agreeing to return were miniscule.   After the way they had been treated and having seen how the McCanns had been treated. - all trust in the PJ had gone.   In fact I think the PJ were banking on it - and just to make sure  - they let the group know they could not guarantee there would be no press around, they referred to the McCanns as 'the offenders' and told them not to bring their children with them.   And also made  the stipulation that they all had to agree to attend - or it wouldn't happen. 

With the recon being refused - that gave the PJ an excuse to offset the blame for having to shelve the case.
All IMHO.

[Alfred R Jones]

Please can you link to the evidence which shows the McCanns refused to take part in a reconstruction?

[ferryman]

The McCann's and their friends prevented it [re-examination of the timeline] from happening.

Clearly that's not true.

The reconstitution never happened.

And the timeline has been changed.

[Albertini]

Please can you link to the evidence which shows the McCanns refused to take part in a reconstruction?

Clarence Mitchell publicly stated that their lawyers would block it.