The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[The Singularity]

And those accounts did not corroborate though did they?

I think the concise answer here is yes. In evidence to substantiate this claim is the fact that the witness statements have now been scrutnised and the McCanns have been cleared. These are the same statrements given at the time, the contain the same information. So yes, they did corroborate to the extent of shifting focus away from Madeleine's parents. What I would question is how these statements were initially handled and interpreted because the information hasn't changed, only the detectives reviewing it. 

[Albertini]

I think the concise answer here is yes. In evidence to substantiate this claim is the fact that the witness statements have now been scrutnised and the McCanns have been cleared. These are the same statrements given at the time, the contain the same information. So yes, they did corroborate to the extent of shifting focus away from Madeleine's parents. What I would question is how these statements were initially handled and interpreted because the information hasn't changed, only the detectives reviewing it.

That is working solely on the basis of a statement several months ago saying the parents were not suspects or persons of interest. Do you accept that suspects can change during the course of an investigation? Do you accept that whilst saying that at that time that position can change at anytime in the future? Do you understand that saying someone isn't a suspect does not automatically mean they will never be a suspect again as the investigation progresses? Can you understand whether they were suspects or not AR sought to say it?

You have no evidence of how they have analysed the statements and what their files show because they haven't been divulged. The PJ files are there for all the world to see and I don't need SY to tell they don't add up.

[The Singularity]

The PJ files are there for all the world to see and I don't need SY to tell they don't add up.

If they don't add up why didn't the PJ act on this? Why aren't either Mr or Mrs McCann or both languishing in some Portuguese prison?

Simple answer is the statements stood up to scrutiny and the parents were no longer suspected of Madeleine's disappearance. I suspect you don't "need" Scotland Yard to tell you they don't add up because it is contrary to your entrenched beliefs.

[Mr Gray]

That is working solely on the basis of a statement several months ago saying the parents were not suspects or persons of interest. Do you accept that suspects can change during the course of an investigation? Do you accept that whilst saying that at that time that position can change at anytime in the future? Do you understand that saying someone isn't a suspect does not automatically mean they will never be a suspect again as the investigation progresses? Can you understand whether they were suspects or not AR sought to say it?

You have no evidence of how they have analysed the statements and what their files show because they haven't been divulged. The PJ files are there for all the world to see and I don't need SY to tell they don't add up.

Sy have seen the Portuguese files...the McCanns are not suspects...it follows that SY see nothing in the files of concern re the McCanns .All the discrepancies can be explained by errors in translation

[Mr Gray]

And those accounts did not corroborate though did they? Look at the number of discrepancies and the changes of stories, the shoe horning in of Bundleman and the Payne visit. Look at the Rog interviews and the men's changed timings for when they left the tennis match. It was a  whole series of huge contradictions and apparent collusion  which necessitated further more detailed investigation.

What cast iron albi's? There are none that removes the possibility of involvement. What co-operation? They gave witness statements which didn't tally with the evidence indications or each other.
 

No it wasn't pointless it was trying to see if what the parents claim happened could physically happen. If it could not then they needed to explain why their statements didn't tally with the reality.

It's nothing to do with conspiracy theories, it's to do with making sense of the accounts of the last  people and witnesses to see the missing child and to see how those accounts tallied with the evidence collected and if they didn't tally for those witnesses, like any witness in any investigation in the world, to explain why their accounts did not match up to what was shown in the reconstruction.

No you have also made the mistake of presuming the reconstruction was to be taken from the point after the parents had been ruled out. \They hadn't, they had to rule themselves out by showing the PJ that their sworn statements were viable and corr3ect in real world conditions.

It was just an attempt to find something to implicate the McCanns ....nothing to do with trying to find maddie...the McCanns and the tapas would have been crazy to have gone back

[jassi]

Sy have seen the Portuguese files...the McCanns are not suspects...it follows that SY see nothing in the files of concern re the McCanns .All the discrepancies can be explained by errors in translation

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In your mind, certainly.

[Mr Gray]

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In your mind, certainly.

it seems SY are not concerned as they have said the mccannns are not suspcts

[jassi]

it seems SY are not concerned as they have said the mccannns are not suspcts

I agree they said that several months ago.

[Mr Gray]

I agree they said that several months ago.

after they had seen the files

[jassi]

after they had seen the files

Well, they would have been foolish to have said it before.

[Lace]

Why wasn't the reconstruction done when the McCann's were in Portugal?   Amaral says something about the tourists, but wouldn't there have been tourists in the May when they wanted the McCann's to go back?

There is talk about the McCann's imagining that the Portuguese police were going to stich them up if they went back for a reconstruction,  but remember the McCann's and friends sought the advice of their lawyers who would have no doubt have experience to inform them as to whether it was wise to go back or not,  it wasn't as someone said a vote on what to do.

[Mr Gray]

Well, they would have been foolish to have said it before.

But they said it after

[jassi]

But they said it after

So you said earlier.

[Estuarine]

However, the last thing we would ever want is a standoff between us and the PJ, something that would only delight and benefit the press. Kate and Gerry desperately need the cloud of suspicion over them to be emphatically lifted, and the PJ need to complete their investigation. We also appreciate the legal obstacles to removing Kate and Gerry's arguido status, but would request that prior to us agreeing to the re-enactment the PJ:

• publicly dispels the damaging and disturbing lies churned out by the Portuguese press regarding alleged changes to statements, re-interviews or alleged lack of co-operation.

• publicly states there are "no suspicions over [us] regarding the commission of any criminal acts." This in no way compromises judicial secrecy.

This in no way compromises judicial secrecy. But without some official intervention on their part, a return for the re-enactment seems little more than a perfect opportunity for the press to speculate and libel us all once again.

We are very keen to help an investigation aiming to establish what's happened to Madeleine, but have no desire to assist one that seeks only to damn our innocent friends. By actively restoring the focus on Madeleine and robustly dispelling the countless speculation, the PJ can expect our continued co- operation.

Yours sincerely,

Russell O'Brien & Jane Tanner

Amazing to say the least.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id279.html

Sorry for posting the link again admin but just in case some one accuses me of fabrication.

[Mr Gray]

However, the last thing we would ever want is a standoff between us and the PJ, something that would only delight and benefit the press. Kate and Gerry desperately need the cloud of suspicion over them to be emphatically lifted, and the PJ need to complete their investigation. We also appreciate the legal obstacles to removing Kate and Gerry's arguido status, but would request that prior to us agreeing to the re-enactment the PJ:

• publicly dispels the damaging and disturbing lies churned out by the Portuguese press regarding alleged changes to statements, re-interviews or alleged lack of co-operation.

• publicly states there are "no suspicions over [us] regarding the commission of any criminal acts." This in no way compromises judicial secrecy.

This in no way compromises judicial secrecy. But without some official intervention on their part, a return for the re-enactment seems little more than a perfect opportunity for the press to speculate and libel us all once again.

We are very keen to help an investigation aiming to establish what's happened to Madeleine, but have no desire to assist one that seeks only to damn our innocent friends. By actively restoring the focus on Madeleine and robustly dispelling the countless speculation, the PJ can expect our continued co- operation.

Yours sincerely,

Russell O'Brien & Jane Tanner

Amazing to say the least.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id279.html

Sorry for posting the link again admin but just in case some one accuses me of fabrication.

absolutely right..they did the right thing