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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #210 on: March 28, 2014, 06:39:30 PM »
What they wanted was a  'Crimewatch'  type reconstruction  to be televised 

Until now, I have never seen anyone make the claim that Kate and Gerry McCann wanted to  'take part'  in a reconstruction themselves,   in order to assist the police  ...  and that the police turned down their offer 

Have you evidence for that claim  ?

yes bit I cant remember where I heard it

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #211 on: March 28, 2014, 07:34:53 PM »
Heavens forbid they should want to do anything like that.

Indeed.

Naughty words/phrases omitted from Crimewatch, such as :

Going out to wine and dine;

Leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, with infrequent checks ;

No forensic proof of an abduction;

No mention of the dogs.

and the list goes on.........................................



Offline pathfinder73

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #212 on: March 28, 2014, 07:35:57 PM »
"British consul Bill Henderson and Ambassador John Buck were visiting us on a fairly regular basis and we were seeing the Leicestershire FLOs every day. The flow of information, however, was slow and limited. The Portuguese police were divulging very little to the British police and vetoing many of their suggestions – bringing out specialist dogs, for example, or staging a reconstruction."

"On Monday 4 June, we recorded an appeal to be screened the following evening on Crimewatch, the long-running BBC programme that has a good track record in helping the police to solve crimes using information supplied by the public. Our appeal was aimed in particular at any British holidaymakers who had been in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine’s abduction.

Frustratingly, Crimewatch was not allowed to film a reconstruction of the abduction. This was something we had wanted from the beginning, in the hope that it would encourage potential witnesses to come forward. In Britain the police often broadcast reconstructions through programmes likeCrimewatch and news channels, but we were told that this was not possible in either Portugal or Britain because of the judicial secrecy law. We were able to show a pair of pyjamas like Madeleine’s on the programme, which was particularly important since at the time it had been incorrectly stated in some press reports that her pyjamas were white."

"In the spring of 2008 – almost a year after Madeleine was last seen – the PJ decided they wanted to conduct a re-enactment in Praia da Luz of the night of 3 May 2007. The participants required were Gerry, me, Fiona, Dave, Jane, Russ, Rachael, Matt, Dianne and Jes Wilkins, to whom Gerry chatted in the street that night just after his last glimpse of Madeleine. They weren’t interested in using actors or stand-ins. So either everyone agreed or the reconstruction wouldn’t go ahead."

Madeleine by Kate McCann

Unless everyone agreed it wouldn't go ahead? That is astonishing. Who was running this farce - the Tapas 9 or the police?
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 07:39:04 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #213 on: March 28, 2014, 07:38:13 PM »
"British consul Bill Henderson and Ambassador John Buck were visiting us on a fairly regular basis and we were seeing the Leicestershire FLOs every day. The flow of information, however, was slow and limited. The Portuguese police were divulging very little to the British police and vetoing many of their suggestions – bringing out specialist dogs, for example, or staging a reconstruction."

"On Monday 4 June, we recorded an appeal to be screened the following evening on Crimewatch, the long-running BBC programme that has a good track record in helping the police to solve crimes using information supplied by the public. Our appeal was aimed in particular at any British holidaymakers who had been in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine’s abduction.

Frustratingly, Crimewatch was not allowed to film a reconstruction of the abduction. This was something we had wanted from the beginning, in the hope that it would encourage potential witnesses to come forward. In Britain the police often broadcast reconstructions through programmes likeCrimewatch and news channels, but we were told that this was not possible in either Portugal or Britain because of the judicial secrecy law. We were able to show a pair of pyjamas like Madeleine’s on the programme, which was particularly important since at the time it had been incorrectly stated in some press reports that her pyjamas were white."

"In the spring of 2008 – almost a year after Madeleine was last seen – the PJ decided they wanted to conduct a re-enactment in Praia da Luz of the night of 3 May 2007. The participants required were Gerry, me, Fiona, Dave, Jane, Russ, Rachael, Matt, Dianne and Jes Wilkins, to whom Gerry chatted in the street that night just after his last glimpse of Madeleine. They weren’t interested in using actors or stand-ins. So either everyone agreed or the reconstruction wouldn’t go ahead."

Madeleine by Kate McCann

Unless everyone agreed it wouldn't go ahead? That is astonishing. Who was running this - the Tapas 9 or the police?

Tough question, that one.

Well it wasn't the Leicestershire Police running the show, so who does that leave ? >@@(*&)

Offline sadie

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #214 on: March 29, 2014, 12:20:25 AM »
What they wanted was a  'Crimewatch'  type reconstruction  to be televised 

Until now, I have never seen anyone make the claim that Kate and Gerry McCann wanted to  'take part'  in a reconstruction themselves,   in order to assist the police  ...  and that the police turned down their offer 

Have you evidence for that claim  ?
I read that too, but I dont remember where I saw it either.  We are talking nearly seven years ago ... but I definitely remember it.  They asked for a reconstruction in the very early days and it was refused according to what i read..

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #215 on: March 30, 2014, 02:21:17 AM »
You haven't answered my question. Would you have willingly gone back in the imaginary situation that I mentioned before in the knowledge that you, your family and friends had been widely accused in the press of having been involved, with no updates on what was going on in police-think?

YES  YES  YES  every single time if I thought it would help recover my child.  I would also not refuse to answer questions as Kate McCann did during the arguido interview.   What on earth was she thinking?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

icabodcrane

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #216 on: March 30, 2014, 02:29:40 AM »
YES  YES  YES  every single time if I thought it would help recover my child.  I would also not refuse to answer questions as Kate McCann did during the arguido interview.   What on earth was she thinking?



The Portuguese police appear to have believed that what she was thinking was that Madeleine could not   BE  'recovered' 

In that scenario,  the only objective left would be that of self-preservation

ferryman

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #217 on: March 30, 2014, 10:42:57 AM »
A Portuguese-style reconstitution (distinct from reconstruction) should have no place in civilised society, let alone a criminal investigation ...

Estuarine

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #218 on: March 30, 2014, 11:29:51 AM »
I would imagine that reconstitution is part of any inquisitorial legal system which includes most of Europe and Latin America.
We could debate whether or not these countries are civilised of course; my point being however it is not restricted to Portugal.
I am sure someone will correct me if if they think I am wrong, this site having more barrack room lawyers than Job had sores.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #219 on: March 30, 2014, 02:00:21 PM »
The topic of this thread is 'The Reconstruction was abandoned because the tapas group refused to cooperate'.


ferryman

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #220 on: March 30, 2014, 02:04:02 PM »
The topic of this thread is 'The Reconstruction was abandoned because the tapas group refused to cooperate'.

Thank goodness ...

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #221 on: March 30, 2014, 02:06:34 PM »
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id279.html

Seems quite clear, reading through and then scrolling down to near the foot of this series of communications, that one by one T9 decided following legal advice that they would not take part.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #222 on: March 30, 2014, 02:42:22 PM »
Starting with Carlos Pinto de Abreu, the very lawyer who advised Kate NOT to answer those 48 questions which I rather doubt any UK police officer would have been permitted to do.  There's  a great deal being said about Kate's refusal to answer but the question is whether they should have been asked in the first place.

Are police not entitled to ask any questions they wish?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future


Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #224 on: March 30, 2014, 02:45:20 PM »
Starting with Carlos Pinto de Abreu, the very lawyer who advised Kate NOT to answer those 48 questions which I rather doubt any UK police officer would have been permitted to do.  There's  a great deal being said about Kate's refusal to answer but the question is whether they should have been asked in the first place.

Though it seems clear from the files here that T9 consulted their own (presumably British) lawyers, who advised them not to take part.