The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[Eleanor]

Deary me what an utterly unhelpful, condescending and downright arrogant post.
 
It rather begs the question why you even bother posting on here if this is what you believe to be an acceptable post.

Don't worry.  It's already been reported.  But there's nothing to stop you doing the same.

[Wonderfulspam]

its absolutely futile because it sought test out the veracity of a witnesses claim..you have it in one...it was nothing to do with finding Maddie...the pj were a complete and utter disgrace ....  IMO

Yes, Websites, Chat shows & Bundleman has always been there best chance of finding Maddie but those useless PJ weren't interested.

I bet the honourable Mr Redwood wouldn't just rule Jane Tanners golden evidence out.

[ferryman]

So why, pray tell, is asking a witness to demonstrate what they claimed happened in an oral statement to see whether it physically could be possible, an excercise in futility?

Seems eminently sensible to me to test out the veracity of a witnesses claim.

Or is it that it's only futile because it sought to test the veracity of the McCann's and their friends?

I've used the example before and make no apology for using it again: the Stockwell Underground Tube Station shooting of Jean-Paul de Menezes.

Eye-witnesses "saw" Mr De Menezes, wearing a knee-length, heavyweight coat, pole-volting barriers and sprinting onto the train.

The truth: he was wearing a light-weight denim jacket with no lead in sight.  He made a leisurely entrance onto the platform and stopped to buy a paper.  He entered the train in an orthodox way, was pinned to the floor and shot.

What odds a (Portuguese-style) "reconstitution" unveiling the truth of that?

CCTV footage of actual events as they occurred did unveil the truth!

When Portuguese justice discards reconstitutions, a massive step forward in the quest for justice will have been made in Portuguese law.

[Estuarine]

No, sorry, I don't do links.  Everyone knows that.  But since I am not much fussed about what you think, and I don't suppose that The McCanns are either, I can only suggest that you report me.

You mean you make it up as you go along?

[Albertini]

its absolutely futile because it sought test out the veracity of a witnesses claim..you have it in one...it was nothing to do with finding Maddie...the pj were a complete and utter disgrace ....  IMO

So you think that testing the oral evidence of the sole witnesses to the events of that evening and by extension, potential suspects in the crime, is futile?

Really?

[Albertini]

I've used the example before and make no apology for using it again: the Stockwell Underground Tube Station shooting of Jean-Paul de Menezes.

Eye-witnesses "saw" Mr De Menezes, wearing a knee-length, heavyweight coat, pole-volting barriers and sprinting onto the train.

The truth: he was wearing a light-weight denim jacket with no lead in sight.  He made a leisurely entrance onto the platform and stopped to buy a paper.  He entered the train in an orthodox way, was pinned to the floor and shot.

What odds a (Portuguese-style) "reconstitution" unveiling the truth of that?

CCTV footage of actual events as they occurred did unveil the truth!

When Portuguese justice discards reconstitutions, a massive step forward in the quest for justice will have been made in Portuguese law.

So you're saying that eye witness accounts are unreliable?

Yes or no will suffice.

[Eleanor]

You mean you make it up as you go along?

Very droll.  Nope.  But my head is stuffed with information that I don't know how to retrieve.
I have a good memorym but others are better at finding this stuff than I am.

[ferryman]

So you're saying that eye witness accounts are unreliable?

Yes or no will suffice.

Very often unreliable!

Correct.

Much less often, dishonest.

[Albertini]

Very often unreliable!

Correct.

Much less often, dishonest.

So how are we supposed to rely so much on the evidence of the Tapas group then if it is "unreliable" or to use your words"dishonest"?

How are we supposed to move the investigation on? By simply taking their word for it that what they are telling us is unreliable or by investigating it to see if it is unreliable or dishonest?

As investigators how can we find which it is, without testing the veracity of it?

[Albertini]

Tis none of your business where I choose to post.  But I do think you would be happier elsewhere from what I have seen.  This Forum isn't nearly liberal enough for you.  Thank God.

Oh dear not hit a raw nerves have I? My liberalism is just fine thanks, however I'm not prepared to accept that someone didn't take part in a crime just because they say they didn't take part in a crime. I'd much rather investigate and reach my conclusions based on what I can see not on what I can feel in my heart. Thank God.

[Eleanor]

So how are we supposed to rely so much on the evidence of the Tapas group then if it is "unreliable" or to use your words"dishonest"?

How are we supposed to move the investigation on? By simply taking their word for it that what they are telling us is unreliable or by investigating it to see if it is unreliable to dishonest?

As investigators how can we find which it is, without testing the veracity of it?

How are We supposed to move the investigation on?  As investigators how can We find which it is?

Erm, have I read that right?  We?  Are you sure you are feeling alright? 

[Albertini]

How are We supposed to move the investigation on?  As investigators how can We find which it is?

Erm, have I read that right?  We?  Are you sure you are feeling alright?

Yes you have, cos what I'm suggesting is that McCann supporters put themselves in the shoes of an investigator and proposing how they would deal with moving the case forward.

I hear that the PJ  made a mess of it, so let's see what different methods McCann supporters would have used to investigate the case.

[Eleanor]

Yes you have, cos what I'm suggesting is that McCann supporters put themselves in the shoes of an investigator and proposing how they would deal with moving the case forward.

I hear that the PJ  made a mess of it, so let's see what different methods McCann supporters would have used to investigate the case.

No, sorry.  I don't want to play that game.  I would much rather leave it to the professionals, who incidentally, happen to believe that The McCanns are innocent and are searching for The Abductor.  Or did you miss that bit?

[Eleanor]

Tick Tock and all that jazz.  Softly, softly catchee monkee  That blooming tide has got to turn one day.  And Scotland Yard are playing a blinder Seven Years we've been waiting.
No wonder I find so much to be amusing.

[icabodcrane]

Someone is going to produce proof of this eventually.  In which case I shall expect your apology.  To The McCanns, that is.

Admin/Mods

Eleanor has said the McCanns offered to take part in a reconstruction and that the Portuguese police   rejected that offer  ...  and a second member,  Sadie,  makes the same claim

Eleanor now guarantees that it is only a matter of time until someone  (  other than she and Sadie,  who are unable to  )  provides evidence of the claim

Until  'someone'  does   I would like to request   the claim is lodged in the  Myth  section of the board