The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[Alfred R Jones]

This is the most pathetic excuse ever.  Hard-working, tenacious policemen and women do not give up on an investigation simply because their chief suspects don't co-operate exactly the way they expect them to. 

[stephen25000]

This is the most pathetic excuse ever.  Hard-working, tenacious policemen and women do not give up on an investigation simply because their chief suspects don't co-operate exactly the way they expect them to.

Unless those suspects are protected.

[Wonderfulspam]

Unless those suspects are protected.

Or just, out of reach.

[Albertini]

This is the most pathetic excuse ever.  Hard-working, tenacious policemen and women do not give up on an investigation simply because their chief suspects don't co-operate exactly the way they expect them to.

Er no. They didn't co-operate full stop, not "exactly the way they expect them to".

Refusing to take part is NOT "co-operate exactly the way they expect them to", is it Alfred?

As was pointed out the other day had they done so the PJ could have discovered the same window of opportunity for abduction SY did 7 years later by forensically examining the time line with the actual witnesses involved. 

The reconstitution would have been a more accurate (given the witnesses themselves were actually involved in it) forensic analysis than SY could perform with computers 7 years later.

[Alfred R Jones]

Er no. They didn't co-operate full stop, not "exactly the way they expect them to".

Refusing to take part is NOT "co-operate exactly the way they expect them to", is it Alfred?

As was pointed out the other day had they done so the PJ could have discovered the same window of opportunity for abduction SY did 7 years later by forensically examining the time line with the actual witnesses involved. 

the reconstitution would have been a more accurate (given the witnesses themselves were actually involved in it).

So, you think if a chief suspect in a case refuses to co-operate in an investigation then those investigating the case are well within their rights to just give up do you?  Utterly pathetic!!

[Albertini]

So, you think if a chief suspect in a case refuses to co-operate in an investigation then those investigating the case are well within their rights to just give up do you?  Utterly pathetic!!

Can you tell me what else they could do, given that they weren't certain which door Gerry McCann entered at 9:05, what time the men actually finished playing tennis on the night of the 3rd or if the shutter of the patio door that they claimed they entered through was actually up or down or not?

Forget about them being suspects given such uncertainty how could they find leads that anyone else could get in or out 5A or not?

[stephen25000]

So, you think if a chief suspect in a case refuses to co-operate in an investigation then those investigating the case are well within their rights to just give up do you?  Utterly pathetic!!

People don't cooperate unless they have something to hide.

Especially if they are keen to find their missing daughter.

Or do you know different ?

[Albertini]

What is utterly pathetic, given such uncertaities, is the fact that the Tapas lot weren't prepared to come back to Portugal to allow the PJ to forensically examine their time lines to find the same window of opportunity SY claim they found some 7 years later.

What is happening now with SY could have happened 7 years ago had they co-operated.

[Alfred R Jones]

What is utterly pathetic, given such uncertaities, is the fact that the Tapas lot weren't prepared to come back to Portugal to allow the PJ to forensically examine their time lines to find the same window of opportunity SY claim they found some 7 years later.

What is happening now with SY could have happened 7 years ago had they co-operated.

. What enabled Sy to forensicslly examine the timeline that was denied the PJ then?

[Albertini]

. What enabled Sy to forensicslly examine the timeline that was denied the PJ then?

7 years computational power?

Are you familiar with Moore's law?

I'd still rather go with the reconstitution actually to see the whites of peoples eyes.

The methods though matter not one jot.

It's the same end result which is key.

[Alfred R Jones]

7 years computational power?

Are you familiar with Moore's law?

I'd still rather go with the reconstitution actually to see the whites of peoples eyes.

The methods though matter not one jot.

It's the same end result which is key.

WTF is 7 years computational power?  And no, I'm not familiar with Moore's Law.  I do know you are making pathetic excuses for the PJ though.

[Alfred R Jones]

But i thought you supporters were of the opinion SY were professional super men?

Well you were wrong then.   That said I do think the Met has cleaned up its act somewhat since then, in large part as a result of past failings such as the Lawrence case.  hopefully the PJ has learnt from its many mistakes in the McCann case too.

[Albertini]

WTF is 7 years computational power?  And no, I'm not familiar with Moore's Law.  I do know you are making pathetic excuses for the PJ though.

Well, there you go, some bedtime reading for you.

All you need to worry about is the ends not the means.

The reconstitution would have provided the same forensic analysis of the time lines SY claim they have investigated but with the added advantage of actually having the participants being able to explain themselves.

Denied to the PJ 7 years ago by the so called "friends" of the missing childs family.

Utterly despicable.

[Albertini]

WTF is 7 years computational power?  And no, I'm not familiar with Moore's Law.  I do know you are making pathetic excuses for the PJ though.

You don't know about SY's computer system HOLMES or Moore's law relating to increasing computational power yet you state i'm making "pathetic excuses for the PJ".

How can you say that when you don't know what the "excuses" you think I'm making actually relate to?

Oh dear, how embarrassing for you.

[Brietta]

What is utterly pathetic, given such uncertaities, is the fact that the Tapas lot weren't prepared to come back to Portugal to allow the PJ to forensically examine their time lines to find the same window of opportunity SY claim they found some 7 years later.

What is happening now with SY could have happened 7 years ago had they co-operated.

I doubt that very much indeed.

I would remind you that the present Portuguese and British investigations did not pick up from where the original investigation left off. 

The Met and the PJ went back to the very beginning – in effect discarding the original investigation which had reached an impasse.

Separately they reached a very different conclusion from Dr Amaral and instigated new avenues of inquiry which had been largely ignored as they did not point to the Drs McCann.

The ground work had been done by the GNR and PJ officers but only that which might have implicated Madeleine’s parents and the Tapas group was investigated with any vigour.

This and not Dr Kate McCann’s exercise of her right not to answer the 48 questions obstructed the search for Madeleine. 

This is verified as both the Met and PJ have stated that the Drs McCann are not persons of interest and both authorities are following a programme dictated by the evidence already in the files and possibly fresh information from appeals. 

Both authorities are looking for a stranger to Madeleine and her family.

Meanwhile, at a remove of seven years, Dr Amaral still stands resolutely by his original theory.