The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[faithlilly]

Exactly...to see if the tapas were lying....nothing to do with finding maddie......the pj had no other leads apart from the parents...they have now been shown to be wrong

The PJ had legitimate concerns. The McCanns and their friends, if they were really interested in redirecting the investigation to find the child, would have done anything in their power to make that happen.

Tell me how exactly could Jane, Gerry and co could have been shown to be wrong if they had simply re enacted what had taken place ?

[Lace]

The PJ had legitimate concerns. The McCanns and their friends, if they were really interested in redirecting the investigation to find the child, would have done anything in their power to make that happen.

Tell me how exactly could Jane, Gerry and co could have been shown to be wrong if they had simply re enacted what had taken place ?

Why did Amaral cancel the reconstruction in the first place?

[Benice]

With all their technology, SY should be able to do an animated computer simulation - perhaps they already have, but choose not to mention it.

They already have done one Jassi  - and also mentioned it :-

Quote from Andy Redwood

''We have conducted a Forensic Analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.
End quote

[pathfinder73]

The timeline is straight forward when you ignore the BS.

8:55 - The Payne's and Webster leave their apartment

8:55 - Matt leaves the tapas to go and see where they are.

8:56 - They meet by apartment 5A.

8:57 - Matt performs a listening check outside windows

9 pm - Matt arrives back at tapas. Matt says as soon as he gets back Gerry leaves the table to go and do his check.

9:10 - The time Jane says she left the table after Kate says Gerry is probably watching football to explain his long absence.

9:11/12 - Jane says she sees Gerry and Jez chatting in the street. At the top of the road she sees a man crossing the road carrying a child.

9:15 - Gerry returns to table. So he was gone up to 15 minutes. Any detective would want to know what's he's been doing in all that time away from the table.

9:16 - Jane returns to table.

9:25 - Matt and Russ leave table to check.

9:30 - Matt does his final check inside 5A.

9:33 - Matt returns to table and tells Jane that her daughter is ill.

9:37 - Jane leaves table.

9:45 - Russ returns to table. Gone for 20 minutes.

9:51 - Kate leaves table to check. Around the same time Russ receives his steak.

9:54 - Kate raises the alarm. Russ had only had a few bites of his steak when she returns.

[faithlilly]

They already have done one Jassi  - and also mentioned it :-

Quote from Andy Redwood

''We have conducted a Forensic Analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.
End quote

No one disputes that there was enough time but Benice simply that it could not have happened as reported. Rebelo was obviously cynical of Tanner's claim to have walked past Gerry and Jez unnoticed and also the whooshing of the bedroom door. These were the main reasons he wanted them to reconstruct the incident and I can't in all honesty say I blame him.

[faithlilly]

The timeline is straight forward when you ignore the BS.

8:55 - The Payne's and Webster leave their apartment

8:55 - Matt leaves the tapas to go and see where they are.

8:56 - They meet by apartment 5A.

8:57 - Matt performs a listening check outside windows

9 pm - Matt arrives back at tapas. Matt says as soon as he gets back Gerry leaves the table to go and do his check.

9:10 - The time Jane says she left the table after Kate says Gerry is probably watching football to explain his long absence.

9:11/12 - Jane says she sees Gerry and Jez chatting in the street. At the top of the road she sees a man crossing the road carrying a child.

9:15 - Gerry returns to table. So he was gone up to 15 minutes. Any detective would want to know what's he's been doing in all that time away from the table.

9:16 - Jane returns to table.

9:25 - Matt and Russ leave table to check.

9:30 - Matt does his final check inside 5A.

9:33 - Matt returns to table and tells Jane that her daughter is ill.

9:37 - Jane leaves table.

9:45 - Russ returns to table.

9:51 - Kate leaves table to check. Around the same time Russ receives his steak.

9:54 - Kate raises the alarm. Russ had only had a few bites of his steak when she returns.

Diane Webster was categorical in her first statement that they met no one on their way to the tapas.

[pathfinder73]

Diane Webster was categorical in her first statement that they met no one on their way to the tapas.

 4078    ”Do you remember who was there when you got there?”
 Reply    ”Well Matt obviously wasn’t because we’d just passed him but of course I don’t remember this at the time, and I think in my original statement I thought maybe Gerry wasn’t there, but maybe he was, you know, I don’t know.”

[Benice]

The PJ had legitimate concerns. The McCanns and their friends, if they were really interested in redirecting the investigation to find the child, would have done anything in their power to make that happen.

Tell me how exactly could Jane, Gerry and co could have been shown to be wrong if they had simply re enacted what had taken place ?

The Tapas 7 also had legitimate concerns after the way they had been treated in the PT media and having to watch Gerry and Kate, whom they knew to be innocent being made arguidos - and  by a policeman who was already an arguido himself regarding alleged misconduct in his previous missing child case.   

 Any reasonable person would agree  they had every right to be suspicious in those circumstances IMO.         The PJ were unable to allay those suspicions/concerns  - which IMO was a deliberate action to put them off from agreeing to attend.

You still haven't answered how the PJ were going to deal with the 'approximate time' problems which made an accurate recon. almost certainly impossible to achieve imo.

Any ideas?





 

[pathfinder73]

The Tapas 7 also had legitimate concerns after the way they had been treated in the PT media and having to watch Gerry and Kate, whom they knew to be innocent being made arguidos - and  by a policeman who was already an arguido himself regarding alleged misconduct in his previous missing child case.   

 Any reasonable person would agree  they had every right to be suspicious in those circumstances IMO.         The PJ were unable to allay those suspicions/concerns  - which IMO was a deliberate action to put them off from agreeing to attend.

You still haven't answered how the PJ were going to deal with the 'approximate time' problems which made an accurate recon. almost certainly impossible to achieve imo.

Any ideas?





 

They would be interested in Jane passing Gerry and Jez. How it happened  Russ and Gerry's long absence away. That could be any time but they would still be saying you were gone a long time boyo! What were you doing 

[John]

If the reconstruction was so critical...why has SY not called for one and why has the new Portuguese investigation not called for one

Why?  Have those who refused to cooperate back in 2007/2008 had a change of heart and decided to put Madeleine's interests before their own at last?  I would be very much surprised if they have!

[pathfinder73]

Why?  Have those who refused to cooperate back in 2007/2008 had a change of heart and decided to put Madeleine's interests before their own at last?  I would be very much surprised if they have!

It could be a good move to ask now because the innocent will take that step to fully cooperate if they want to put an end to it. To split them apart and mess with their heads is a good idea. It's time to take the kid gloves off. I would do it to see their reaction. You need to be in control of the situation not them. Or you make them feel like their in control and safe when they're not which could be happening right now  &%+((£

[jassi]

It could be a good move to ask now because the innocent will take that step to fully cooperate if they want to put an end to it. To split them apart and mess with their heads is a good idea. It's time to take the kid gloves off. I would do it to see their reaction. You need to be in control of the situation not them. Or you make them feel like their in control and safe when they're not which could be happening right now  &%+((£

Not sure that would be seen in certain quarters as being awfully helpful.

[pathfinder73]

Not sure that would be seen in certain quarters as being awfully helpful.

We may see it happening after forensics.

[Carana]

It could be a good move to ask now because the innocent will take that step to fully cooperate if they want to put an end to it. To split them apart and mess with their heads is a good idea. It's time to take the kid gloves off. I would do it to see their reaction. You need to be in control of the situation not them. Or you make them feel like their in control and safe when they're not which could be happening right now  &%+((£

Eight years later, you'd be no more than an actor attempting to follow whatever script (s) you're given.

A shame that Amaral didn't get a re-enactment organised when the T9, OC employees, locals and various tourists would have been there with their memories still fresh back in May 2007.

[Mr Gray]

Why?  Have those who refused to cooperate back in 2007/2008 had a change of heart and decided to put Madeleine's interests before their own at last?  I would be very much surprised if they have!

No...It's because the investigating team think it's a stupid idea and that the parents are not involved in any crime