The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[pathfinder73]

No...It's because the investigating team think it's a stupid idea and that the parents are not involved in any crime

Statistics disagree. Only a fool would believe the crap we're fed.

[Mr Gray]

Statistics disagree. Only a fool would believe the crap we're fed.

statistics would not disagree...only a fool would believe the crap you have been fed by the portuguese

[misty]

Surely the emphasis should have been not on what the Tapas 9 say they were doing but what they were seen by others to be doing.

[Brietta]

Would anyone care to say exactly what would be gained by the Drs McCann ... their friends and one mother-in-law ... Jez Wilkins ... and innocent man ... returning to Praia Da Luz to take part in a reconstitution?  and why is it important for some people to require it ...

[pathfinder73]

Would anyone care to say exactly what would be gained by the Drs McCann ... their friends and one mother-in-law ... Jez Wilkins ... and innocent man ... returning to Praia Da Luz to take part in a reconstitution?  and why is it important for some people to require it ...

Truth Matters 

[Benice]

Would anyone care to say exactly what would be gained by the Drs McCann ... their friends and one mother-in-law ... Jez Wilkins ... and innocent man ... returning to Praia Da Luz to take part in a reconstitution?  and why is it important for some people to require it ...

Nothing could be gained - it's just another stick to beat the McCanns with IMO.

It doesn't matter that SY have already done a forensic analysis of the timelines  -  and no doubt shared it with their Portuguese counterparts, or that a recon. by 10 people who can only give approximate times of their movements means it's not even possible to achieve anyway.   Or even that the McCanns and their friends have been ruled out of the enquiry.     What is important to some is the preservation of something to criticise the McCanns with.

Straw-clutching on a grand scale.  IMO.

[Anna]

Would anyone care to say exactly what would be gained by the Drs McCann ... their friends and one mother-in-law ... Jez Wilkins ... and innocent man ... returning to Praia Da Luz to take part in a reconstitution?  and why is it important for some people to require it ...

 A reconstruction will not show any more than, what is already in the statements IMO. How could they get all of the OC workers etc. etc. to attend anyway.

Interesting bit I recently read.......

Portimão, 20th of June 2008"
It is a notable summary and while the strangulated prose of the original testifies to the bitter experience of confessing failure its conclusions are significant. Reading from the final sentence back:

They state that they are pursuing no new lines of enquiry and nor do they envision any.

That their investigation was hampered by unprecedented media exposure and "commotion".

That the UK "rogatory letter" interviewees, principally the "Tapas 7" , provided no additional information.

That they are still lacking information about what happened within the holiday group between 5.30 & 10PM on May 3.

That the "timeline" provided by the holiday group makes it "at the least very difficult" for an abductor to have entered and left.

That the information (provided by Kate McCann) that a draught had alerted her to a previously unopened window needed clarification or replication.

That the circumstances of the Jane Tanner sighting were hard to reconcile with the geography of the location and the close proximity of others.

And that clarification of these and other matters could not be obtained due to the "refusal" of members of the holiday group to return to Portugal for the necessary reconstruction of events.



http://madeleinemccannaffair.blogspot.co.uk/

[Benice]

A reconstruction will not show any more than, what is already in the statements IMO. How could they get all of the OC workers etc. etc. to attend anyway.

Interesting bit I recently read.......

Portimão, 20th of June 2008"
It is a notable summary and while the strangulated prose of the original testifies to the bitter experience of confessing failure its conclusions are significant. Reading from the final sentence back:

They state that they are pursuing no new lines of enquiry and nor do they envision any.

That their investigation was hampered by unprecedented media exposure and "commotion".

That the UK "rogatory letter" interviewees, principally the "Tapas 7" , provided no additional information.

That they are still lacking information about what happened within the holiday group between 5.30 & 10PM on May 3.

That the "timeline" provided by the holiday group makes it "at the least very difficult" for an abductor to have entered and left.

[b]That the information (provided by Kate McCann) that a draught had alerted her to a previously unopened window needed clarification or replication.[/b]

That the circumstances of the Jane Tanner sighting were hard to reconcile with the geography of the location and the close proximity of others.

And that clarification of these and other matters could not be obtained due to the "refusal" of members of the holiday group to return to Portugal for the necessary reconstruction of events.



http://madeleinemccannaffair.blogspot.co.uk/

How on earth could Kate McCann entering 5A as part of a recon possibly guarantee that an exact replication of the weather conditions of 12 months prior would somehow miraculously happen and that the same breeze would blow at exactly the same time as it did on 3rd May?   What if there was no wind on the night of the recon?

The mind boggles at the sheer ridiculousness of that  'requirement for clarification'  by the PJ. IMO

And what was stopping the PJ doing that 'clarification check'  for themselves -  they had all the details of what Kate said had  happened.    Why subject her to what would be an excrutiatingly  painful exercise, when they could do it perfectly easily without her.

[Anna]

How on earth could Kate McCann entering 5A as part of a recon possibly guarantee that an exact replication of the weather conditions of 12 months prior would somehow miraculously happen and that the same breeze would blow at exactly the same time as it did on 3rd May?   What if there was no wind on the night of the recon?

The mind boggles at the sheer ridiculousness of that  'requirement for clarification'  by the PJ. IMO

And what was stopping the PJ doing that 'clarification check'  for themselves -  they had all the details of what Kate said had  happened.    Why subject her to what would be an excrutiatingly  painful exercise, when they could do it perfectly easily without her.

I don't believe there is anything on that list that would be resolved with a reconstruction.
JT sighting could not be reconstructed without Jez, who could not attend.
The rest is just ridiculous.

[Lyall]

It's probably to do with there being no absolute timings in the statements, and no independent witnesses to anything that happened away from the table in those statements.

The reconstruction could have assisted the arguidos and companions if it had taken place by finally being able to accurately measure timing of events.

[Bert Singe]

How on earth could Kate McCann entering 5A as part of a recon possibly guarantee that an exact replication of the weather conditions of 12 months prior would somehow miraculously happen and that the same breeze would blow at exactly the same time as it did on 3rd May?   What if there was no wind on the night of the recon?

The mind boggles at the sheer ridiculousness of that  'requirement for clarification'  by the PJ. IMO

And what was stopping the PJ doing that 'clarification check'  for themselves -  they had all the details of what Kate said had  happened.    Why subject her to what would be an excrutiatingly  painful exercise, when they could do it perfectly easily without her.

A reconstruction is surely better than no reconstruction. After all you appear to accept SY's forensic examination yet this forensic examination has taken years to materialise. An actual reconstruction may have ruled things out years ago and actually helped the McCann's and Tapas 7 to better clarify their story.

Instead it seems they may have been more fearful of their own story being discredited. Do you not think that strange?

[Eleanor]

A reconstruction is surely better than no reconstruction. After all you appear to accept SY's forensic examination yet this forensic examination has taken years to materialise. An actual reconstruction may have ruled things out years ago and actually helped the McCann's and Tapas 7 to better clarify their story.

Instead it seems they may have been more fearful of their own story being discredited. Do you not think that strange?

They asked for a reconstruction in May 2007, but The PJ refused.

[Benice]

A reconstruction is surely better than no reconstruction. After all you appear to accept SY's forensic examination yet this forensic examination has taken years to materialise. An actual reconstruction may have ruled things out years ago and actually helped the McCann's and Tapas 7 to better clarify their story.

Instead it seems they may have been more fearful of their own story being discredited. Do you not think that strange?

Well once again I ask the same question I have now asked several times but without an answer:

The recon. (bearing in mind they were only going to get one go at it)


PJ officer to Jez:   We would like you to set off at the same time you did on the 3rd May  last year -  and repeat all your movements from then on.

Jez to PJ officer:   But I don't know the exact time I set out - I can guess at the time, but what if I'm a couple of minutes out  -  and when I get to where I met Gerry he has already gone back into the Tapas Area - or he is still in 5A  -  what do I do then?

PJ officer to Jez :    Errrm.........................................................    (please fill in this blank.)


 

[Benice]

It's probably to do with there being no absolute timings in the statements, and no independent witnesses to anything that happened away from the table in those statements.

The reconstruction could have assisted the arguidos and companions if it had taken place by finally being able to accurately measure timing of events.

[/b]

But that is the whole point - they could only give approximate times of their various movements so it wasn't possible to do an accurate recon.   No normal people on holiday would be keeping notes of the exact timings of every move they and others made.     They were on holiday not military manouvres.

[Lyall]

[/b]

But that is the whole point - they could only give approximate times of their various movements so it wasn't possible to do an accurate recon.   No normal people on holiday would be keeping notes of the exact timings of every move they and others made.     They were on holiday not military manouvres.

But it is possible to accurately measure the time taken to perform those movements.

If you say they could do that with actors, I think you know why police would always prefer the real participants to be present.