The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[Alfred R Jones]

I agree.

You agree that the McCanns are not currently suspects?  That's not what you said earlier... &%+((£

[Miss Taken Identity]

That he was careful with his words. Especially around the time of October 2013's Crimewatch.

You think it's impossible the Met could be sued?

the ever increasing circle....The met>The Government>The media

All with something to hide. All scared of each other, all looking at each other/watching.

Something brewing with regards to the paedophile ring which hits the heart of Government of all parties-all tainted..the battle lines have been drawn and it all blew up with the Savile disclosure.

The Met will be watched and they will be watching because if there is any hint of a scandal  they will NOT want to be tainted by it! The new DCI is very quiet...she hasn't declared anyone to be completely innocent has she?

[Lyall]

You wrote this:


You or I wouldn't have two of the most formidable legal companies at our disposal would we.


That tends to suggest you believe the McCanns (and not just this case) are a bit special, hence they can go around frightening the poor old police force with their intimidating lawyers.  So why are they so powerful in your view?

They're not. But the lawyers are. The case is so special because it's so unique and has such a high profile.

[Lyall]

Sued for what exactly?

Giving people a reason to think they weren't exonerated in 2008.

That's the line everyone has to stick to.

[Alfred R Jones]

They're not. But the lawyers are. The case is so special because it's so unique and has such a high profile.

Why do the McCanns have such special lawyers if they themselves are nothing special then?  You seem almost to be suggesting the lawyers control the McCanns too now, most bizarre!

[Benice]

Yes I would expect my neighbours would be able to say what they did that day.

The people you are quoting are expressing an opinion- They do not know what I was doing when my neighbour ran to me do they? and you did direct that question to me!

Stress can cause blind panic in difficult situation I am not disagreeing with that. I am being specific about events leading up to Maddies disappearance- The tapas had an agenda of sorts I feel sure about that. I think it maybe they were afraid about the back lash regarding leaving the children alone- That is just an opinion.

If I were one of the Tapas I would certainly feel ill at the thought of people finding out about my stupid actions!

Considering virtually the first thing the Tapas 7 told the police was their childcare arrangements  - that makes no sense IMO.

Why should they have any fears on that subject - the Listening Service offered to holidaymakers, which they mirrored, is not illegal in Portugal.

[Lyall]

Why do the McCanns have such special lawyers if they themselves are nothing special then?  You seem almost to be suggesting the lawyers control the McCanns too now, most bizarre!

Lawyers love cases with high profiles, because those are the cases that may be useful in creating precedents.

[slartibartfast]

And what if you had nine other neighbours who became involved.   Would you expect them to be able to do the same -  and expect everything they said to fit in exactly with everything you said?

Memories don't work like that - they work like this:-

Quote

In a crime situation memory is influenced by many factors such as stress, the presence of a weapon and even just the desire to help police solve the crime.

"Police know how fallible the memory can be," says Steve Retford, a former head of the investigative skills unit at GMP and now specialist interviewing adviser with the force.

"They also know this is usually not through mischievousness on the part of the witnesses, but through stress and shock."

Take the case of Jean Charles de Menezes, shot at Stockwell Tube station in 2005 by police who mistook him for a suicide bomber.

Eyewitnesses said he had vaulted a ticket barrier when running away from the police. In fact it was later shown by CCTV that Mr Menezes had walked through the barriers, having picked up a free newspaper, and only ran when he saw his train arriving.
End quote

I find it strange that you are so keen on pointing out the fallibility of memory yet are so against a reconstitution which would have clarified those memories and produced a realistic timeline.

[Benice]

I find it strange that you are so keen on pointing out the fallibility of memory yet are so against a reconstitution which would have clarified those memories and produced a realistic timeline.

But how could that be Starti - they would have to remember all their conversations and how long they took. Also  how fast or slowly they walked to and from various places - what time they started eating,  the exact time they got up from the table etc. etc.   It's just not possible IMO for one person to do that - let alone 10 of them.      Their movements intertwined with one another e.g.  for Gerry, Jez and JT to all be able to exactly re-enact all coming together in the same place for a few seconds - the three of them would HAVE to know the exact times of their movements that night.     And they didn't know them.       IMO the PJ were asking the impossible  - because it's not humanly possible for several people to carry out a recon with the PRECISION of memory that it would require to make it an accurate one.

All it would prove is that it isn't possible for 10 people to accurately recreate hours of various movements by  those10 people.      So what good would that be to the investigation?

[Brietta]

But how could that be Starti - they would have to remember all their conversations and how long they took. Also  how fast or slowly they walked to and from various places - what time they started eating,  the exact time they got up from the table etc. etc.   It's just not possible IMO for one person to do that - let alone 10 of them.      Their movements intertwined with one another e.g.  for Gerry, Jez and JT to all be able to exactly re-enact all coming together in the same place for a few seconds - the three of them would HAVE to know the exact times of their movements that night.     And they didn't know them.       IMO the PJ were asking the impossible  - because it's not humanly possible for several people to carry out a recon with the PRECISION of memory that it would require to make it an accurate one.

All it would prove is that it isn't possible for 10 people to accurately recreate hours of various movements by  those10 people.      So what good would that be to the investigation?

What a pity that the CCTV at the supermarket wasn't recording ... it would probably have covered the entrance to the tapas restaurant, a good part of the street and the car park ... it would have picked up Gerry, Jez, Jane and who knows ... perhaps even the man carrying a child crossing the junction.

Now that would have been evidence!! and since the requirement for the tapas time line was to try to identify exactly when Madeleine may have been abducted which has been in dispute ever since anyway ... the CCTV would have sorted that and the need for a very much later re-enactment.

[Benice]

What a pity that the CCTV at the supermarket wasn't recording ... it would probably have covered the entrance to the tapas restaurant, a good part of the street and the car park ... it would have picked up Gerry, Jez, Jane and who knows ... perhaps even the man carrying a child crossing the junction.

Now that would have been evidence!! and since the requirement for the tapas time line was to try to identify exactly when Madeleine may have been abducted which has been in dispute ever since anyway ... the CCTV would have sorted that and the need for a very much later re-enactment.

How true.   And IIRC even Amaral had the good grace to admit that the PJ were remiss in taking so long to check the CCTV cameras that were in the area - and so may have missed what might have been vital evidence.

Such a shame.

[Brietta]

How true.   And IIRC even Amaral had the good grace to admit that the PJ were remiss in taking so long to check the CCTV cameras that were in the area - and so may have missed what might have been vital evidence.

Such a shame.

Dr Amaral is indeed on record regretting the fact that the hotel CCTV had been erased because he was sure the man seen by the Smith family would have been picked up on it.

It would at least have corroborated the exact time when the Smith family returned to the hotel.

[jassi]

What a pity that the CCTV at the supermarket wasn't recording ... it would probably have covered the entrance to the tapas restaurant, a good part of the street and the car park ... it would have picked up Gerry, Jez, Jane and who knows ... perhaps even the man carrying a child crossing the junction.

Now that would have been evidence!! and since the requirement for the tapas time line was to try to identify exactly when Madeleine may have been abducted which has been in dispute ever since anyway ... the CCTV would have sorted that and the need for a very much later re-enactment.

If it had been working, we would no doubt have people arguing over the accuracy of the clock.

I agree that it would have provided evidence of the  timing of the various activities relative to one another and the real positions of the players.

It seems that CCTV often fails when it is must needed - think of all those cameras not working on the London underground just when the police were shooting that Brazilian, so no visual evidence.

[slartibartfast]

But how could that be Starti - they would have to remember all their conversations and how long they took. Also  how fast or slowly they walked to and from various places - what time they started eating,  the exact time they got up from the table etc. etc.   It's just not possible IMO for one person to do that - let alone 10 of them.      Their movements intertwined with one another e.g.  for Gerry, Jez and JT to all be able to exactly re-enact all coming together in the same place for a few seconds - the three of them would HAVE to know the exact times of their movements that night.     And they didn't know them.       IMO the PJ were asking the impossible  - because it's not humanly possible for several people to carry out a recon with the PRECISION of memory that it would require to make it an accurate one.

All it would prove is that it isn't possible for 10 people to accurately recreate hours of various movements by  those10 people.      So what good would that be to the investigation?

It's not about using them intellectually thinking about the night and then trying to adjust time to set off, walking pace etc. it is about them instinctively doing what they did that night and adjusting things to create a viable time line if possible.

[Mr Gray]

It's not about using them intellectually thinking about the night and then trying to adjust time to set off, walking pace etc. it is about them instinctively doing what they did that night and adjusting things to create a viable time line if possible.

meanwhile SY are spending 10 mill investigating suspects in Portugal when you and others on here think the guilty  are under their noses in the UK ...do you realise how stupid that idea is?