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stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #885 on: January 11, 2015, 09:39:32 AM »
meanwhile SY are spending 10 mill investigating suspects in Portugal when you and others on here think the guilty  are under their noses in the UK ...do you realise how stupid that idea is?

Indeed.

£10 M down the drain, when public services in this country are suffering, police stations are closing and with a case which will be inevitably shelved bar a confession.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #886 on: January 11, 2015, 09:44:27 AM »
Indeed.

£10 M down the drain, when public services in this country are suffering, police stations are closing and with a case which will be inevitably shelved bar a confession.

then tell me why SY are spending 10 mill if they believed, as you do, in the accident theory

Offline sadie

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #887 on: January 11, 2015, 09:44:59 AM »
I find it strange that you are so keen on pointing out the fallibility of memory yet are so against a reconstitution which would have clarified those memories and produced a realistic timeline.

It is all on written record Slarti.  A record made when it was fresh in their minds.

As you well know, The Mccanns wanted a reconstruction way back immediately after the crime, but none was happening.
Amaral has given his excuses on that .


The Mccanns were willing to come back for the *ahem* Reconstitution, but others that were necessary were either unwilling to come back or were unable to.

You KNOW the facts.   Why do you keep going on about it?

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #888 on: January 11, 2015, 09:47:01 AM »
then tell me why SY are spending 10 mill if they believed, as you do, in the accident theory

They were told too.

IMO of course.

Meanwhile £10 M and counting down the drain.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #889 on: January 11, 2015, 11:25:17 AM »
The contention that Madeleine's father was the man who was the carrier in the alleged Smith sighting is one which will never be put to bed by the people who choose to believe it no matter what the result of contemporaneous
re-enactments.
The people who actually matter ... the PJ and SY ... obviously put it to bed long ago.

We already know that Martin Smith's identification was mistaken ... just as the almost identical statement made by Mr McCluskey which pre-dated it was mistaken.

On the other hand, if the Smith party of nine had revisited their route and venues of the evening ... an independent witness might have remembered seeing them ... or even remember serving them drinks.

Timeline is key. Somebody gave the sighting time away so it's obvious who Smithman is.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #890 on: January 11, 2015, 01:16:30 PM »
Smithman gave the time away. You will find out because everything connects unlike your theory. Everything connects to the real timeline. They were asked to come back to do a reconstruction to account for their times away from the table/alibi. The liars will soon get found out and they refused to do it.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #891 on: January 12, 2015, 12:55:04 AM »
E – About the interest of the reconstruction
 
Taking into account that there were certain points in the arguidos' and witnesses' statements that revealed, apparently at least, contradiction or that lacked physical confirmation, it was decided to carry out the "reconstruction of the fact", a diligence that is consecrated in article 150 of the Penal Process Code in the sense of duly clarifying, on the very location of the facts, the following very important details, among others:
 
1 – The physical, real and effective proximity between Jane Tanner, Gerald McCann and Jeremy Wilkins, at the moment when the first person walked by them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, in our perspective, strange that neither Gerald McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw her, or the alleged abductor, despite the exiguity of the space and the peacefulness of the area;
 
2 – The situation concerning the window to the bedroom where Madeleine slept, together with the twins, which was open, according to Kate. It seemed then necessary to clarify if there was a draught, since movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which, eventually, could be verified through the reconstitution;
 
3 – The establishment of a timeline and of a line of effective checking on the minors that were left alone in the apartments, given that, if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said abductor, with the child, namely through a window with scarce space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass, through that window, holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that witness JANE TANNER saw (horizontal);
 
4 – What happened during the time lapse between approximately 6.45/7 p.m. – the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time, in her apartment, by a different person (David Payne) from her parents or siblings – and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy – at around 10 p.m.;
 
5 – The obvious and well-known advantages of immediate appreciation of evidence, or in other words, the fulfilment of the principle of contiguity of evidence in order to form a conviction, as firm as possible, about what was seen by Jane Tanner and the other interposers, and, eventually, to dismiss once and for all any doubts that may subsist concerning the innocence of the missing [child's] parents.
 
In this sense, the legal procedures were followed, according to the norms and conventions that are in force, and the appearance of the witnesses was requested, inviting them to be present inclusively appealing to solidarity with the McCann couple, as it is certain that since the beginning they adhered to that process diligence.
 
Nevertheless, despite national authorities assuming all measures to render their trip to Portugal viable, for unknown motives, after the many doubts that they raised about the necessity and opportunity of their trip were clarified several times, they chose not to attend, which rendered the diligence inviable.
 
We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html#adi7
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #892 on: January 27, 2015, 06:09:28 PM »
In the case of a disappeared child, the simple decent act would be to do all and everything they could to assist the investigation.  In this case that didn't happen, the police were seriously thwarted in their attempts to unravel the mystery. 

The blame for failure must therefore rest fairly and squarely with those who reneged.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #893 on: January 27, 2015, 06:12:23 PM »
In the case of a disappeared child, the simple decent act would be to do all and everything they could to assist the investigation.  In this case that didn't happen, the police were seriously thwarted in their attempts to unravel the mystery. 

The blame for failure must therefore rest fairly and squarely with those who reneged.

and others feel the blame for failure lies squarely at the door of the PJ...it's a matter of opinion

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #894 on: January 27, 2015, 06:14:02 PM »
In the case of a disappeared child, the simple decent act would be to do all and everything they could to assist the investigation.  In this case that didn't happen, the police were seriously thwarted in their attempts to unravel the mystery. 

The blame for failure must therefore rest fairly and squarely with those who reneged.
Yes it's been a few days since we had a go at the parents and their acquaintances for not wanting to take part in a reconstruction a year after the event so jolly good show kicking off that particular discussion again.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #895 on: January 27, 2015, 06:19:11 PM »
Well, it makes a change from those pesky dogs.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #896 on: January 27, 2015, 06:23:39 PM »
Well, it makes a change from those pesky dogs.

And the Smithman sighting!

Precis: dogs are rubbish and Smithman is Peter Brady, but they do keep banging on about it I wonder why?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #897 on: January 27, 2015, 06:23:53 PM »
In the case of a disappeared child, the simple decent act would be to do all and everything they could to assist the investigation.  In this case that didn't happen, the police were seriously thwarted in their attempts to unravel the mystery. 

The blame for failure must therefore rest fairly and squarely with those who reneged.

When a reconstruction was requested soon after Madeleine McCann's disappearance when it would have been of optimum value in finding out what had happened to her ... it was refused.

Memories might have been jogged and relevant witnesses still around;  for example the Smiths may have realised long before the fortnight it took to realise they had not been dreaming when they saw a man carrying a child;  we might also have discovered the true identity of the Murat look alike seen observing from the sidelines.

When the Rebelo reconstruction was proposed ... the Drs McCann agreed to attend ... no one else had to.

So I would say the blame for not holding a reconstitution when it actually mattered lies fair and square with the Portuguese ... not the victims.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #898 on: January 27, 2015, 06:26:05 PM »
And the Smithman sighting!

Precis: dogs are rubbish and Smithman is Peter Brady, but they do keep banging on about it I wonder why?
Who is Peter Brady?

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #899 on: January 27, 2015, 06:29:46 PM »
When a reconstruction was requested soon after Madeleine McCann's disappearance when it would have been of optimum value in finding out what had happened to her ... it was refused.

Memories might have been jogged and relevant witnesses still around;  for example the Smiths may have realised long before the fortnight it took to realise they had not been dreaming when they saw a man carrying a child;  we might also have discovered the true identity of the Murat look alike seen observing from the sidelines.

When the Rebelo reconstruction was proposed ... the Drs McCann agreed to attend ... no one else had to.

So I would say the blame for not holding a reconstitution when it actually mattered lies fair and square with the Portuguese ... not the victims.

The mccanns aren't the victims.

Madeleine was.

Due to the inadequacies of her parents.