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Offline lordpookles

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1020 on: January 28, 2015, 07:26:20 PM »
I wonder if some of you are being dishonest when you ask how could the reconstruction of helped Madeliene? Firstly it could have assisted the investigation to refocus, which would have been huge had they been able to satisfy the PJ that McCanns plus tapas were not involved(how can any of you even be sure when we discount the parents that this was not the work of someone Madeliene knew?). Secondly, it would enable them to sharpen up the timeline and there is even a possibility it could have prompted someone to remember a seemingly inconsequential important detail.

I can understand the argument why the tapas 7 and Jes did not wish to attend, but of course you also have to understand how this is likely to be perceived, which is also a completely valid argument given the facts presented here imo...
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1021 on: January 28, 2015, 07:29:34 PM »
I'm sure the PJ would have been more than happy to work with people who were fluent both in English and Portuguese. Why shouldn't they be?

I notice that they seem to have no problem communicating with SY

But don't you think it might have added to the chaos somewhat.

Pedro, tell The McCanns to do this.  Pedro tells The McCanns.  The McCanns say they can't because...  Pedro tells The PJ that the McCanns can't because......  The PJ says okay, well do this.......

If you see what I mean.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1022 on: January 28, 2015, 07:33:08 PM »
No, I see no problem  and it would just as likely to be Hugo as Pedro  @)(++(*
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1023 on: January 28, 2015, 07:41:49 PM »
No, I see no problem  and it would just as likely to be Hugo as Pedro  @)(++(*

Or Goncalo I suppose.  Then they be in real trouble.  Our Goncalo would have to be there, Coordinating, because he was The Coordinator, and the only one who knew  what really went on.

Lyall

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1024 on: January 28, 2015, 07:42:39 PM »
I wonder if some of you are being dishonest when you ask how could the reconstruction of helped Madeliene? Firstly it could have assisted the investigation to refocus, which would have been huge had they been able to satisfy the PJ that McCanns plus tapas were not involved(how can any of you even be sure when we discount the parents that this was not the work of someone Madeliene knew?). Secondly, it would enable them to sharpen up the timeline and there is even a possibility it could have prompted someone to remember a seemingly inconsequential important detail.

I can understand the argument why the tapas 7 and Jes did not wish to attend, but of course you also have to understand how this is likely to be perceived, which is also a completely valid argument given the facts presented here imo...

 8((()*/ Good points.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1025 on: January 28, 2015, 07:44:33 PM »
Or Goncalo I suppose.  Then they be in real trouble.  Our Goncalo would have to be there, Coordinating, because he was The Coordinator, and the only one who knew  what really went on.

More likel to be a Hugo.
I see him as a suave Portuguese-speaking Foreign Office type, brought in to ensure that everything went smoothly
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1026 on: January 28, 2015, 07:45:37 PM »
I wonder if some of you are being dishonest when you ask how could the reconstruction of helped Madeliene? Firstly it could have assisted the investigation to refocus, which would have been huge had they been able to satisfy the PJ that McCanns plus tapas were not involved(how can any of you even be sure when we discount the parents that this was not the work of someone Madeliene knew?). Secondly, it would enable them to sharpen up the timeline and there is even a possibility it could have prompted someone to remember a seemingly inconsequential important detail.

I can understand the argument why the tapas 7 and Jes did not wish to attend, but of course you also have to understand how this is likely to be perceived, which is also a completely valid argument given the facts presented here imo...

Once again I ask - how would a reconstruction have possibly demonstrated the McCanns' innocence?  Just one "for instance" will do.

Lyall

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1027 on: January 28, 2015, 07:48:21 PM »
Once again I ask - how would a reconstruction have possibly demonstrated the McCanns' innocence?  Just one "for instance" will do.

It would have demonstrated urgency.

Instead they demonstrated politics.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1028 on: January 28, 2015, 07:48:35 PM »
Once again I ask - how would a reconstruction have possibly demonstrated the McCanns' innocence?  Just one "for instance" will do.

I can see why you are hung up on this , but why should any reconstruction be aimed to demonstrating the McCanns innocence? The purpose was to find out what happened to Madeleine.  Or more precisely the circumstance that led to Madeleine's disappearance.
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1029 on: January 28, 2015, 07:48:46 PM »
Not an insurmountable barrier . The fund could no doubt have provided linguist experts of the highest order.

Like the one used by Emma Loach at the trial?  8(>((
Sorry that was just a little bit under arm.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1030 on: January 28, 2015, 07:50:54 PM »
More likel to be a Hugo.
I see him as a suave Portuguese-speaking Foreign Office type, brought in to ensure that everything went smoothly

One Portuguese and one British, in case anyone is cheating and mistranslating or stuff.

I think we might have cracked it, Jassi.  We should have offered our services.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1031 on: January 28, 2015, 07:51:10 PM »
It would have demonstrated urgency.

Instead they demonstrated politics.
LOL at urgency.  A reconstruction 12 months after the event designed purely to test the McCanns' story was not ever going to demonstrate their innocence or find the missing child.  I can see that, the McCanns and their friends INCLUDING Jez Wilkins could see that, why on earth are you and your fellow "sceptics" unable to?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1032 on: January 28, 2015, 07:52:59 PM »
I can see why you are hung up on this , but why should any reconstruction be aimed to demonstrating the McCanns innocence? The purpose was to find out what happened to Madeleine.  Or more precisely the circumstance that led to Madeleine's disappearance.
OK - please explain how a reconstruction of the movement of 10 people, none of whom have an inkling as to what happened to Madeleine, would help to find her? 

Offline lordpookles

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1033 on: January 28, 2015, 07:56:51 PM »
Once again I ask - how would a reconstruction have possibly demonstrated the McCanns' innocence?  Just one "for instance" will do.

Well it would have been a process of small steps I imagine if you consider the investigation post Amaral was of an open mind or would reconsider their theories should evidence arise to the contrary. This could have been one of those steps perhaps. For example they run through the timeline and everything checks out - it would force the investigation to reconsider somewhat. Besides the real question should be how will this reconstruction help the search for Madeliene? Which is obviously linked to your question if the McCanns plus tapas 7 are completely innocent.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 08:00:41 PM by lordpookles »

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1034 on: January 28, 2015, 07:57:21 PM »
OK - please explain how a reconstruction of the movement of 10 people, none of whom have an inkling as to what happened to Madeleine, would help to find her?

The clue is perhaps in my last sentence.

By having the players on site, they would have been able to advise and comment on exactly where they were at certain times ( and demonstrate by going through the motions). Had they been absent, errors would have been less obvious as there would only have been written statements to go on - and we know how unreliable these can be, particularly in translation.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future