The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[G-Unit]

What a nasty comment?  Do behave.  I would call blatant lies "nasty comments".

You said:

Now, provide evidence that the McCanns REFUSED to do a reconstitution.  Furthermore provide evidence that the McCanns refused to help the police with their enquiries.

Why are you asking me for evidence that the McCanns refused to do a reconstitution? I never said they did. They couldn't, as arguidos. Their friends did though. When Kate McCann refused to answer police questions she was refusing to help police with their inquiries.

[pathfinder73]

No I did not suggest that - I said that in the opinions of the McCanns, their friends and Gez Wilkins, Madeleine was taken in an abduction and I am therefore wanting to know - what merit would any of THEM see in a police reconstruction of THEIR OWN movements as far as helping to find Madeleine was concerned?

You do not know Madeleine was abducted when one of them could have been responsible for her disappearance. They were checking regular according to them. 15 movements to and from the apartments in under 90 minutes to be precise before she was reported missing. Every 6 minutes that apartment was passed on average and that's not including Jez talking outside it.

[mercury]

No I did not suggest that - I said that in the opinions of the McCanns, their friends and Gez Wilkins, Madeleine was taken in an abduction and I am therefore wanting to know - what merit would any of THEM see in a police reconstruction of THEIR OWN movements as far as helping to find Madeleine was concerned?

Arguido and witnesses' "opinions" should trump police calls now?
What do you think British police might think of their attitude if it were their case?

As for the Mccanns, they did not refuse, they couldn't refuse, but they made their criticism, questions and abhorrence, along with the plea "havent we been through enough"  at the suggestion very plain indeed when interviewed in the Uk about it.

As for the suggestion that their refusal was not a non cooperation with police, then what was it?

[Alfred R Jones]

Why are you asking me for evidence that the McCanns refused to do a reconstitution? I never said they did. They couldn't, as arguidos. Their friends did though. When Kate McCann refused to answer police questions she was refusing to help police with their inquiries.

Which people were you talking about when you wrote this?

It's the only case I've ever heard of where people have decided immediately what crime was committed, employed private investigators to carry out a parallel investigation and refused to help the police with their enquiries.

You claim these people did not co-operate by refusing to take part in a reconstitution.  The only people who employed private investigators were the McCanns, ergo you must have meant them!  Kate did refuse to answer police questions on one day out of many months in Portugal, Gerry co-operated fully however, but cumulatively this equates to "refusing to help the police with their enquiries" in your book. 

[G-Unit]

You do not know Madeleine was abducted when one of them could have been responsible for her disappearance. They were checking regular according to them. 15 movements to and from the apartments in under 90 minutes to be precise before she was reported missing. Every 6 minutes that apartment was passed on average and that's not including Jez talking outside it.

Exactly. Gerald McCann said the children's bedroom door had moved when he checked. Between 8.30pm and 9.05pm, however, the McCanns went to the tapas followed by Jane Tanner. Then came Matthew and Rachael followed by the Paynes, who met Matthew on his way back. As soon as he returned Gerald set off to the.apartments. At some point during this half hour Jeremy Wilkins left Block 4 also. Anyone going into the McCann's apartment to move that door must have been very fast, very daring and more or less invisible. The reconstitution would have demonstrated whether it was possible.

[Alfred R Jones]

You do not know Madeleine was abducted when one of them could have been responsible for her disappearance. They were checking regular according to them. 15 movements to and from the apartments in under 90 minutes to be precise before she was reported missing. Every 6 minutes that apartment was passed on average and that's not including Jez talking outside it.

All completely beside the point I was making which was  not about what you or I think but what the McCanns and their friends would have thought about the merits of a reconstitution of their own movements when it was their belief that an abductor had taken Madeleine.

[John]

It was like Spaghetti Junction around Ocean Club what with some of the tapas-9 meandering back and forth between the restaurant and the apartments, checks being made on the children every 15 minutes, tourists out walking their babes in prams while yet others according to Redwood were wandering around carrying children in their arms.  Not to mention the resort staff coming and going and locals visiting their boyfriends next door, people standing on their balconies observing the comings and goings next door and others apparently standing in the shadows having a fag.

When the bloodhell did a stranger have an opportunity to steal a child out of an apartment and make off with her totally unseen?    &%+((£

[mercury]

It was like Spaghetti Junction around Ocean Club what with some of the tapas-9 meandering back and forth between the restaurant and the apartments, checks being made on the children every 15 minutes, tourists out walking their babes in prams while yet others according to Redwood were wandering around carrying children in their arms.  Not to mention the resort staff coming and going and locals visiting their boyfriends next door, people standing on their balconies observing the comings and goings next door and others apparently standing in the shadows having a fag.

When the bloodhell did a stranger have an opportunity to steal a child out of an apartment and make off with her totally unseen?    &%+((£

Would have been easier taking them out in their prams, safer than being left alone, out of sight and out of hearing and the parents jumping up and down every so often, wondering if theyre ok, but on checking didnt actualky check they were, just listened!!!and nod off whenever they wanted to..if kids want to sleep they will sleep, and have some Tapas food as well

[Brietta]

Which people were you talking about when you wrote this?


You claim these people did not co-operate by refusing to take part in a reconstitution.  The only people who employed private investigators were the McCanns, ergo you must have meant them!  Kate did refuse to answer police questions on one day out of many months in Portugal, Gerry co-operated fully however, but cumulatively this equates to "refusing to help the police with their enquiries" in your book.

When the forty eight questions had anything at all to do with finding Madeleine McCann they had all been answered during many hours of questioning.
When the forty eight questions were put to Madeleine's mother when she was constituted arguida without a shred of evidence to support it ... she exercised her right under the law not to answer questions which would be used to incriminate her.

Funny that it is ignored that Madeleine's father answered all the questions put to him.


**snip
September 7, 2007. Kate McCann entered the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão in the morning and the questioning extended into the evening.

**snip
Kate began by replying all the questions, but when she was made an arguida, she stopped talking.

**snip
Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the responsible expert. After the visualization, and after cadaver odour was signaled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by the detection dog

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the vehicle?

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection of Maddie’s DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa and inside the vehicle’s boot?

http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/08/the-48-questions-that-remained-unanswered/


When the Drs McCann exited after being made arguidos they were met by a baying mob. 

If no guarantee could be given to people that participating in a reconstitution would not expose them to similar treatment I think it would be extraordinary if they subjected themselves to such an experience.

Just as the forty eight questions were not designed to help in the search for Madeleine neither was the reconstitution.

[stephen25000]

'When the Drs McCann exited after being made arguidos they were met by a baying mob.'


You love your fantasies.  

[G-Unit]

When the forty eight questions had anything at all to do with finding Madeleine McCann they had all been answered during many hours of questioning.
When the forty eight questions were put to Madeleine's mother when she was constituted arguida without a shred of evidence to support it ... she exercised her right under the law not to answer questions which would be used to incriminate her.

Funny that it is ignored that Madeleine's father answered all the questions put to him.


**snip
September 7, 2007. Kate McCann entered the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão in the morning and the questioning extended into the evening.

**snip
Kate began by replying all the questions, but when she was made an arguida, she stopped talking.

**snip
Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the responsible expert. After the visualization, and after cadaver odour was signaled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by the detection dog

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the vehicle?

You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection of Maddie’s DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa and inside the vehicle’s boot?

http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/08/the-48-questions-that-remained-unanswered/


When the Drs McCann exited after being made arguidos they were met by a baying mob. 

If no guarantee could be given to people that participating in a reconstitution would not expose them to similar treatment I think it would be extraordinary if they subjected themselves to such an experience.

Just as the forty eight questions were not designed to help in the search for Madeleine neither was the reconstitution.

Everything you say arises from your unshakable conviction that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger. I would be interested to know on what that conviction is based. The reconstitution could have supported that theory, which would have been helpful to all, so why refuse just because it might be uncomfortable? Surely people dedicated to finding Madeleine should have done whatever they could to convince everyone that their theory was possible?

[G-Unit]

As far as I know none of the members of the Tapas group had watches or mobile phones, so no way to tell the time. Therefore all the checking times they gave in their statements and timelines were guesses, not facts. Entering guesstimates of a timeline into a computer system gives you a guesstimate of a timeline, so how does that move anything forward?

[Alfred R Jones]

As far as I know none of the members of the Tapas group had watches or mobile phones, so no way to tell the time. Therefore all the checking times they gave in their statements and timelines were guesses, not facts. Entering guesstimates of a timeline into a computer system gives you a guesstimate of a timeline, so how does that move anything forward?

how does a reconstitution, based on all that you have said above? 

[G-Unit]

how does a reconstitution, based on all that you have said above?

When Gerald Mccann checked he said the door to the children's room had been moved. Given the timeline between 8.30pm and 9.05 pm  a reconstitution may have shown if it was possible for anyone to enter the apartment during that time. Different methods of entry could have been tried to see if they were possible. Kate McCann could have demonstrated exactly how her fingerprints came to be on the window. I would be interested in when the food was ordered and when it arrived and who was there to eat it. In Matthews first statement he went and listened at 9.05pm after the Paynes arrived. He changed this later. Matthew says Gerald returned at 9.15pm, but Rachael says Gerald left to check at 9.15pm. By working in the food ordering and serving it would help to understand which guesses about times are correct.

[Alfred R Jones]

When Gerald Mccann checked he said the door to the children's room had been moved. Given the timeline between 8.30pm and 9.05 pm  a reconstitution may have shown if it was possible for anyone to enter the apartment during that time. Different methods of entry could have been tried to see if they were possible. Kate McCann could have demonstrated exactly how her fingerprints came to be on the window. I would be interested in when the food was ordered and when it arrived and who was there to eat it. In Matthews first statement he went and listened at 9.05pm after the Paynes arrived. He changed this later. Matthew says Gerald returned at 9.15pm, but Rachael says Gerald left to check at 9.15pm. By working in the food ordering and serving it would help to understand which guesses about times are correct.

Were the waiters and cook wearing watches then?  I seem to remember that their times were all over the place too!  Why do you not trust the Met?  Do you believe they are incompetent?