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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1305 on: August 03, 2015, 01:46:53 PM »
Was this before amaral received a criminal conviction for lying...the PJ do not need anyone to discredit them...they are more than capable of doing it themselves

In common with other police services it would seem.
So we can work from a common datum.

What were the many other reasons for not attending a reconstruction?
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Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1306 on: August 03, 2015, 02:06:40 PM »

There certainly seems to be a problem with short term memory.  We do appear to revisit exactly the same reconstitution innuendos time after time after time ...

Wonder if it is something in the air ... deterioration of brain cells ... or the education system.  Must be something.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1307 on: August 03, 2015, 02:25:59 PM »
There certainly seems to be a problem with short term memory.  We do appear to revisit exactly the same reconstitution innuendos time after time after time ...

Wonder if it is something in the air ... deterioration of brain cells ... or the education system.  Must be something.

If in doubt look on The McCann Files and read the correspondence between LP and PJ then draw your own conclusions.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Angelo222

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1308 on: August 03, 2015, 02:41:57 PM »
There certainly seems to be a problem with short term memory.  We do appear to revisit exactly the same reconstitution innuendos time after time after time ...

Wonder if it is something in the air ... deterioration of brain cells ... or the education system.  Must be something.

We don't need innuendos to tell us that had Mr and Mrs had any intention of cooperating with the PJ in organising a reconstitution then they could have persuaded their pals to take part too.  History tells a different story though and they all made excuses.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2016, 03:26:07 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1309 on: August 03, 2015, 02:42:33 PM »
In common with other police services it would seem.
So we can work from a common datum.

What were the many other reasons for not attending a reconstruction?

it wouldn't help with the investigation
fear of a corrupt police system

Offline mercury

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1310 on: August 03, 2015, 11:08:40 PM »
it wouldn't help with the investigation
fear of a corrupt police system

The Leicester Police were going to be there with them, and further legal representation and Foreign Office officials if desired!  Do you really think they would all be carted off!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1311 on: January 30, 2016, 03:24:03 PM »
I hadn't realised that Judge Emilia Melo e Castro had restated the following..


PROVED FACTS
From the Judgement - Pages 11 and 12

Page 11

13. The defendant Goncalo Amaral retired from the police force on the 1st July 2008 (art 19 of the instruction basis).

14. On the 21st July 2008 the General Prosecution of the Republic divulged a note to the media announcing the archiving of the criminal investigation and that the same could be reopen by the initiative of the Public Ministry or any interested parties if new elements of evidence that would lead to pertinent diligences (article 20 of the instruction basis).


15. In the archiving report, 21.07.08:

 "Taking into account that there were certain points in the arguidos' and witnesses' statements that revealed, apparently at least, contradiction or that lacked physical confirmation, it was decided to carry out the "reconstruction of the fact", a diligence that is consecrated in article 150 of the Penal Process Code in the sense of duly clarifying, on the very location of the facts, the following very important details, among others:


1 – The physical, real and effective proximity between Jane Tanner, Gerald McCann and Jeremy Wilkins, at the moment when the first person walked by them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, in our perspective, strange that neither Gerald McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw her, or the alleged abductor, despite the exiguity of the space and the peacefulness of the area;

2 – The situation concerning the window to the bedroom where Madeleine slept, together with the twins, which was open, according to Kate. It seemed then necessary to clarify if there was a draught, since movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which, eventually, could be verified through the reconstitution;

3 –  The establishment of a timeline and of a line of effective checking on the minors that were left alone in the apartments, given that, if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said abductor, with the child, namely through a window with scarce space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass, through that window, holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that witness Jane Tanner saw (horizontal);

 
Page 12

4 – What happened during the time lapse between approximately 6.45/7 p.m. – the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time, in her apartment, by a different person (David Payne) from her parents or siblings – and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy – at around 10 p.m.;

5 – The obvious and well-known advantages of immediate appreciation of evidence, or in other words, the fulfilment of the principle of contiguity of evidence in order to form a conviction, as firm as possible, about what was seen by Jane Tanner and the other interposers, and, eventually, to dismiss once and for all any doubts that may subsist concerning the innocence of the missing [child's] parents.

In this sense, the legal procedures were followed, according to the norms and conventions that are in force, and the appearance of the witnesses was requested, inviting them to be present inclusively appealing to solidarity with the McCann couple, as it is certain that since the beginning they adhered to that process diligence.

Nevertheless, despite national authorities assuming all measures to render their trip to Portugal viable, for unknown motives, after the many doubts that they raised about the necessity and opportunity of their trip were clarified several times, they chose not to attend, which rendered the diligence in-viable.

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to demonstrate what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain not clarified."(...)

"This shows that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children, although not in a reckless, or gross, manner" (...)


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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1312 on: January 30, 2016, 03:46:01 PM »
good to see the archiving report stated that the mccanns had not acted in a reckless manner

Offline G-Unit

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1313 on: January 30, 2016, 04:10:20 PM »
good to see the archiving report stated that the mccanns had not acted in a reckless manner

Even so, as keeps being pointed out;

If said guard duty had been observed, in the possibility of this being an abduction, as was insistently mentioned and continues to be mentioned and is admissible to have happened, its occurrence might eventually have been rendered inviable.
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Offline carlymichelle

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1314 on: January 31, 2016, 07:02:51 PM »
wouldnt most parents do everything they could    to find their  missing child including a reconstruction etc?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1315 on: January 31, 2016, 07:04:53 PM »
wouldnt most parents do everything they could    to find their  missing child including a reconstruction etc?

 8((()*/   of course they would.  Didn't Brie state the other day she would kill for her kids?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1316 on: January 31, 2016, 07:17:18 PM »
IMO the McCanns have been very single minded in achieving their goals, whether publicity, support or getting a case review. I find it difficult to believe that their friends would not have returned to PdL for the reconstruction if the McCanns had asked them at the Rothley meeting or elsewhere.
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ferryman

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1317 on: January 31, 2016, 07:34:51 PM »
I said it would have been an opportunity to get them all committed to the reconstruction (to help find Madeliene). Since they wouldn't all attend, it is logical they didn't.

Contradiction in terms.

The so-called 'reconstruction' wasn't about helping to find Madeleine.

It was (supposedly) to attempt to settle guilt or innocence (of the accused).

Mission impossible.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1318 on: January 31, 2016, 07:36:17 PM »
How would it have helped find Madeleine?

By arriving at a realistic timeline which would reveal any opportunities for Madeline's disappearance and hence allow an investigation to proceed from that point.

For some reason the McCanns did not seem to understand the Portuguese concept of the reconstruction.
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ferryman

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1319 on: January 31, 2016, 07:37:50 PM »
By arriving at a realistic timeline which would reveal any opportunities for Madeline's disappearance and hence allow an investigation to proceed from that point.

For some reason the McCanns did not seem to understand the Portuguese concept of the reconstruction.

Reconstructions (that is proper ones!) are about jogging memories, encouraging witnesses to come forward, generating leads.