Terms explained - Cadaver - Cadaver scent - Cadaverine - Contaminant etc...

[pathfinder73]

If I understand serendipity correctly, Eddie would have reacted to blood only where cadaver scent was also present.

I may have misunderstood.

But if I have understood correctly, I am far from convinced.

The dog is trained to react to blood by being introduced to blood, as a discrete scent, and being rewarded for reacting to it.

That would mean the dog would react to blood, as a scent in its own right.

 8-)(--) Yes you've misunderstood everything. Ain't that a surprise. Keela comes in next to confirm if it's blood. If Keela alerts it's blood. If she doesn't work it out genius.

[ferryman]

Could you link to where Serendipity claimed that Eddie only reacted to blood when cadaver was also present please?

That is not how I remember the post. As I stated above, I recall that s/he said that both dogs would only react to semen and urine if blood was also present, which is why I was wondering if that was where your apparent confusion arose from.

Gilet:

    I have now managed to locate a video containing the comments from Martin Grime that I referred to above.

    Both Eddie and Keela were deployed in Apartment 5A.

    Grime indicates that the alert by the Cadaver dog cannot be attached to a precise location. He states that though the dog alerted in the corner the source of the scent could in fact be anywhere in the room.

    I am certain that were that statement to be introduced in court it would make a very interesting discussion point because it is known that Keela alerted within a few metres of that same room and lawyers would want scientific evidence from Grime that there was no possibility that Keela's alert could not have been of the same scent source.

    Where Keela alerted blood was in fact found, though it was never linked to the McCanns.

    I cannot see that any court could allow the alert by Eddie a few metres away from where blood was found to stand as cadaver odour when Eddie also alerts to blood and Grime states that the precise source of Eddie's alerts cannot be determined.

    See here for the comment at 23:15.

Serendipity:


You clearly missed the part where Keela did not alert by the wardrobe then? How many times does it have to be spelled out to you?  Eddie was trained to detect cadaver scent and blood whereas Keela was only trained to detect blood so that throws your theory completely out of the window. 

Pathfinder:

Why was Keela deployed first in the gym?

[Cariad]

Gilet:

    I have now managed to locate a video containing the comments from Martin Grime that I referred to above.

    Both Eddie and Keela were deployed in Apartment 5A.

    Grime indicates that the alert by the Cadaver dog cannot be attached to a precise location. He states that though the dog alerted in the corner the source of the scent could in fact be anywhere in the room.

    I am certain that were that statement to be introduced in court it would make a very interesting discussion point because it is known that Keela alerted within a few metres of that same room and lawyers would want scientific evidence from Grime that there was no possibility that Keela's alert could not have been of the same scent source.

    Where Keela alerted blood was in fact found, though it was never linked to the McCanns.

    I cannot see that any court could allow the alert by Eddie a few metres away from where blood was found to stand as cadaver odour when Eddie also alerts to blood and Grime states that the precise source of Eddie's alerts cannot be determined.

    See here for the comment at 23:15.

Serendipity:


You clearly missed the part where Keela did not alert by the wardrobe then? How many times does it have to be spelled out to you?  Eddie was trained to detect cadaver scent and blood whereas Keela was only trained to detect blood so that throws your theory completely out of the window. 

Pathfinder:

Why was Keela deployed first in the gym?

Firstly, thank you for finding the post, secondly, the post contradicts what you previously stated.

[pathfinder73]

Keela did the clothes first in the gym because if she alerts for blood it's a waste of time Eddie searching next unless it's not blood.

[ferryman]

Keela did the clothes first in the gym because if she alerts for blood it's a waste of time Eddie searching next unless it's not blood.

So why was Eddie deployed after Keela didn't alert?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Lovely doggy pic, Cariad.

Seems appropriate given the preponderance of canine themed threads...

[pathfinder73]

So why was Eddie deployed after Keela didn't alert?

To see if they were cadaver contaminated ofcourse.

[ferryman]

Firstly, thank you for finding the post, secondly, the post contradicts what you previously stated.

Keela didn't alert but Eddie did.

Fair comment.

[ferryman]

To see if they were cadaver contaminated ofcourse.

Nope.

Nothing was sent for forensic analysis because uncorroborated dog alerts are not allowed as evidence in English courts.

And indeed, suppose they had found Madeleine's blood on any of the clothes.

So what?

Madeleine sat on mummy's or daddy's knee, gets a nose bleed, transfers a little drop onto the adult's clothing.

Are you going to bang anyone away in jail for 25 years for that?

[stephen25000]

Nope.

Nothing was sent for forensic analysis because uncorroborated dog alerts are not allowed as evidence in English courts.

And indeed, suppose they had found Madeleine's blood on any of the clothes.

So what?

Madeleine sat on mummy's or daddy's knee, gets a nose bleed, transfers a little drop onto the adult's clothing.

Are you going to bang anyone away in jail for 25 years for that?

A brief reminder, if needed ferryman.

This case has nothing to do with this court's.

The crime occurred in Portugal.

Also, if needed arguido status can be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial period.

[pathfinder73]

Nope.

Nothing was sent for forensic analysis because uncorroborated dog alerts are not allowed as evidence in English courts.

And indeed, suppose they had found Madeleine's blood on any of the clothes.

So what?

Madeleine sat on mummy's or daddy's knee, gets a nose bleed, transfers a little drop onto the adult's clothing.

Are you going to bang anyone away in jail for 25 years for that?

Those alerts are to be corroborated with other evidence e.g. if they positively ID Smithman then those alerts will be corroborated.

[ferryman]

A brief reminder, if needed ferryman.

This case has nothing to do with this court's.

The crime occurred in Portugal.

Also, if needed arguido status can be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial period.

Don't get your hopes up too high ...

[stephen25000]

Don't get your hopes up too high ...

No worries on that score, are there ?

[Mr Gray]

A brief reminder, if needed ferryman.

This case has nothing to do with this court's.

The crime occurred in Portugal.

Also, if needed arguido status can be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial period.

20 years...so we could still hear  a lot more about amarals time as head of the Portuguese inquisition

[Cariad]

Lovely doggy pic, Cariad.

Seems appropriate given the preponderance of canine themed threads...

Thank you Sherlock. He doesn't look like that any more though. For a start he's about 8 stone now 

He was a beautiful puppy though.