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Offline jassi

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2014, 11:41:23 AM »
They will never solve this case then? That would please many strangely I think. Not good for the yards rep!

I fear not. All that will happen is that even more money will be wasted in what will turn out to be a futile investigation, though no doubt we can look forward to a host of unsavory suspects, or 'persons of interest' before we get to that stage.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 11:43:24 AM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline peter claridge

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2014, 05:16:14 PM »
IMO everyone who was interviewed told the truth to the best of their recollections.  However it is plain from the 'discrepancies' in many of them - (not just the group's) - that they cannot all be correct.

All this proves IMO is that everything the experts say about memories not being tape recorders and how vastly different the recollections of different people all honestly recalling the same incident can be  - is true.

'Lying' doesn't come into it.

Mathew Oldfield's first statement
The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 21h00.
 
That around 21h05, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms.

Turns into this from his second statement
The deponent said he stayed in his apartment until 19h45 at which time, together with his wife, he went to the Tapas restaurant where Gerald and Kate were already and, from what was said afterwards, Jane. Later, about 20h50, Russell arrived.
 
The deponent added that David, Fiona and Dianne were still not present – and as he could see their apartment lights burning – he resolved to go to them, clarifying that he did not reach that apartment as those people were already on their way to the restaurant. He clarifies [further] that he met them near the living quarters, at the corner next to the main door of the McCann apartment.
 
Benefiting from meeting them next to the residences, he adds that, on his own initiative, he made a "listening check" at the bedroom window of Madeleine McCann and the twins at 21h05.

Both of the above are ......... the second being a cack-handed attempt to put right the wrongs of the first (which to be fair wasn't possible).

They're all ....... bar Dianne Webster, but even she had to revert to ..........  The three timelines that were produced (without Webster's input) are .............. bar the meeting of Gerry and Jes and the reason that they don't work is due to an early raising of the alarm brought on by the Smith family sighting of Gerry!

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2014, 06:25:16 PM »
Well,  ex MI5 operative Henri Exton, in his  ( suppressed )  report on the case, expressed concern at the  'anomalies'  in the statements given by the McCanns and their chums   ...   and Britain's foremost criminal profiler,  Lee Rainbow  (  who, too,  presented a report on the case  )  also expressed concerns at the  'contradictions'  in Gerry McCann's statements   (  going as far as to say they  might lead us to suspect a homicide !  ) 

So I think it's fair to assume the changing witness statements have not gone unnoticed by those investigating the case

I'm sure your information is totally incorrect...do you have any evidence that Harrison ever said that

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2014, 06:26:28 PM »
I fear not. All that will happen is that even more money will be wasted in what will turn out to be a futile investigation, though no doubt we can look forward to a host of unsavory suspects, or 'persons of interest' before we get to that stage.

Do you think it is a waste of money to investigate serious crime...the criminals will be very pleased

Offline jassi

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2014, 06:30:14 PM »
Do you think it is a waste of money to investigate serious crime...the criminals will be very pleased

There certainly comes a point where it represents poor value for money.
Happens all the time, judging by the number of cases that the CPS decline to take to trial.
Why should this case be any different?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2014, 06:34:58 PM »
There certainly comes a point where it represents poor value for money.
Happens all the time, judging by the number of cases that the CPS decline to take to trial.
Why should this case be any different?

it shouldn't...and it apppears that the powers that be have decided it should be investigated

Offline jassi

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2014, 06:38:03 PM »
it shouldn't...and it apppears that the powers that be have decided it should be investigated

For the moment.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2014, 06:39:50 PM »
For the moment.


bit like the mccanns not being suspects

Offline John

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2014, 09:28:37 PM »
Reminder: Please do not post off topic as such will only be removed. 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Albertini

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2014, 02:08:23 PM »
Lee Rainbow  (  who, too,  presented a report on the case  )  also expressed concerns at the  'contradictions'  in Gerry McCann's statements   (  going as far as to say they  might lead us to suspect a homicide !  ) 

Nope.

One of the papers got hold of Rainbow's report.  He never said any such thing.

“It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored.”

Lee Rainbow.

Well, Yep accoridng to the Mail:

Quote
His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, reading from a Portuguese translation of the previously- confidential report, said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.
Gonzolo Amaral

The McCanns want Gonzolo Amaral (pictured yesterday) to be legally barred from accusing them of being involved in Madeleine's disappearance

'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'


The lawyer added: 'Portuguese police had only considered the abduction theory. It was British police who said they must consider homicide as well.'

Mr Cabrita did not outline what ' contradictions' had been found in Mr McCann's statements and refused to give any further details after the Lisbon hearing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

A direct and attributable quote from the lawyer quoting from the report.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2014, 02:34:07 PM »
Well, Yep accoridng to the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

A direct and attributable quote from the lawyer quoting from the report.

no it isn't


Offline jassi

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2014, 02:41:16 PM »
no it isn't

According to that DM report, it would appear to be so. WhTmakes you disagree?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2014, 02:51:27 PM »
His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, reading from a Portuguese translation of the previously- confidential report, said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.



'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'


I think this has been misunderstood for along time

my opinion is rainbow said what is in red...which is normal and perfectly acceptable...but amarals lawyer added his own comment in blue...the two staements run into each other and posters have assumed both statements are rainbows

Offline jassi

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2014, 02:56:27 PM »
I see what you mean, but you are choosing to make a different interpretation.
According the the DM, the lawyer did actually make that statement, however you might choose to attribute it.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The changing witness statements for the day that Madeleine disappeared.
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2014, 03:07:53 PM »
I see what you mean, but you are choosing to make a different interpretation.
According the the DM, the lawyer did actually make that statement, however you might choose to attribute it.

the lawyer did make the statement but it is not clear where rainbows quote ends