Expertise

[stephen25000]

everyone should use their own judgement...

Indeed we do. 

[Mr Gray]

So davel, why exactly should we take your word on anything either ???

P.S. Are you disputing what John said about Serendipity ?

Just seen your PS..What did john say?...not a lot...very vague...called her the real deal...asked him what this meant but never got an answer

[John]

Just seen your PS..What did john say?...not a lot...very vague...called her the real deal...asked him what this meant but never got an answer

Serendipity is the real deal.  His/her knowledge of Grime and the dogs is extensive.  They are not an expert, never ever claimed to be an expert so lets keep a sense of proportion about these issues.

I was not aware of the comments about Amnesty International but it is true that they no longer list the Cipriano case within their material on torture.  Putting a paper bag over ones head and hitting it with a cardboard tube must rank amongst the most subtle of torture techniques ever.  Serendipity merely pointed out that Leonor was found guilty of lying about the torture.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2690.msg91456#msg91456

[Mr Gray]

Serendipity is the real deal.  His/her knowledge of Grime and the dogs is extensive.  They are not an expert, never ever claimed to be an expert so lets keep a sense of proportion about these issues.

I was not aware of the comments about Amnesty International but it is true that they no longer list the Cipriano case within their material on torture.  Putting a paper bag over ones head and hitting it with a cardboard tube must rank amongst the most subtle of torture techniques ever.

thanks for clearing that up John. Amnesty no longer list the cipriano case because it is concluded ...not as serendipity claimed...that amnesty accepted that torture had not taken place..this was  a gross misrepresentation of the facts by serendipity..the post is still there for  all to check

[pegasus]

Didn't want to start yet another new thread just for this so put it here because it shows "expertise" by a 3-yr old boy in getting out of door alone and going exactly where he aimed, the indirect relevance to the case being that its an example that a child can leave a property alone (and also that a child can get into a small place you would not expect them to be able to).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/missing-boy-found-in-bowling-alley-claw-machine-9265142.html

[John]

Didn't want to start yet another new thread just for this so put it here because it shows "expertise" by a 3-yr old boy in getting out of door alone and going exactly where he aimed, the indirect relevance to the case being that its an example that a child can leave a property alone (and also that a child can get into a small place you would not expect them to be able to).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/missing-boy-found-in-bowling-alley-claw-machine-9265142.html

Indeed, some children and especially the precocious ones can be unpredictable.