The dog alerts to Kates clothing explained as work related.

[John]

It has been suggested that the reason EVRD Eddie reacted to Kate's clothing was because she had contact with one or more cadavers prior to going to Praia da Luz.  This raises some important issues about cadavers, cadaver scent and contamination.

Firstly, it is my understanding that KM was a GP.  As such I would have thought that her contact with any dead people would be minimal.  When a GP is called out to a potential sudden death they don't normally get involved other than to check for any signs if life.  Contact will be minimal and even then they will disinfect their hands if gloves weren't worn.

We know that cadaver scent is only released after a period of around 90 minutes has passed following death.  It is highly unlikely that any GP would be attending a deceased person so long after death and even if they did they would not have any reason to have contact with the body at that late stage.

Clothing worn by a GP on duty would unlikely to have been taken on holiday abroad.

For all the reasons above therefore I find it extremely difficult to believe that KM carried any cadaver contaminants with her on holiday

[Anna]

It has been suggested that the reason EVRD Eddie reacted to Kate's clothing was because she had contact with one or more cadavers prior to going to Praia da Luz.  This raises some important issues about cadavers, cadaver scent and contamination.

Firstly, it is my understanding that KM was a GP.  As such I would have thought that her contact with any dead people would be minimal.  When a GP is called out to a potential sudden death they don't normally get involved other than to check for any signs if life.  Contact will be minimal and even then they will disinfect their hands if gloves weren't worn.

We know that cadaver scent is only released after a period of around 90 minutes has passed following death.  It is highly unlikely that any GP would be attending a deceased person so long after death and even if they did they would not have any reason to have contact with the body at that late stage.

Clothing worn by a GP on duty would unlikely to have been taken on holiday abroad.

For all the reasons above therefore I find it extremely difficult to believe that KM carried any cadaver contaminants with her on holiday

You are probably correct John, but we must check every avenue. Gerry was more likely to carry a cadaver contaminate, since he worked in a hospital and would have to attend surgery research and post mortems at times. He also had chums in the hospital.
 What really puzzles me is that ,the McCanns moved into another Apartment on the night of the disappearance and would need clothing from that wardrobe for use in the morning and yet there was no alert to that apartment. This brings me to believe it was something in 5A or a doggie error.

[Mr Gray]

It has been suggested that the reason EVRD Eddie reacted to Kate's clothing was because she had contact with one or more cadavers prior to going to Praia da Luz.  This raises some important issues about cadavers, cadaver scent and contamination.

Firstly, it is my understanding that KM was a GP.  As such I would have thought that her contact with any dead people would be minimal.  When a GP is called out to a potential sudden death they don't normally get involved other than to check for any signs if life.  Contact will be minimal and even then they will disinfect their hands if gloves weren't worn.

We know that cadaver scent is only released after a period of around 90 minutes has passed following death.  It is highly unlikely that any GP would be attending a deceased person so long after death and even if they did they would not have any reason to have contact with the body at that late stage.

Clothing worn by a GP on duty would unlikely to have been taken on holiday abroad.

For all the reasons above therefore I find it extremely difficult to believe that KM carried any cadaver contaminants with her on holiday

Far more likely that one or moreof the police carried cadaver scent

[Anna]

Far more likely that one or moreof the police carried cadaver scent

I think that is a strong possibility Dave. Shoes etc and the forensic team

[slartibartfast]

I think that is a strong possibility Dave. Shoes etc and the forensic team

Presumably easy enough to check.

[Anna]

Presumably easy enough to check.

I think  it could be difficult, but worth a try. Thanks

[pathfinder73]

I think that is a strong possibility Dave. Shoes etc and the forensic team

What really puzzles me is that ,the McCanns moved into another Apartment on the night of the disappearance and would need clothing from that wardrobe for use in the morning and yet there was no alert to that apartment. This brings me to believe it was something in 5A or a doggie error.

Maybe he left his shoes in the wardrobe. The McCann's didn't move in to the Payne's. They moved into 4G the next day. The twins/cots were moved to the Payne's that night. Kate and Gerry were searching PDL on their own apparently.

[slartibartfast]

That same thought Anna had occurred to me but what niggles me is how the CSI team so singularly failed to pick up on the blood.  Picking up any trace of blood, however, minute, is paramount so how was it apparently missed.
As for cadaver odour tell me about it.   I've been talking to people for whom cadaver odour cross-contamination is an occupational hazard including undertakers and it's that easy.   One careless moment and it's on your clothes.

That's another thing that niggles me.   Six of the Tapas 9 would have known about cadaver odour from their student days and the Zapata case had hit the headlines only months before so if there were an attempt at a cover-up why not get rid of disposable incriminating evidence immediately?  It makes no sense to me.

Speaking as someone who works for an undertaker, it is not really that important. The smell isn't bad in human terms.

[Anna]

That same thought Anna had occurred to me but what niggles me is how the CSI team so singularly failed to pick up on the blood.  Picking up any trace of blood, however, minute, is paramount so how was it apparently missed.
As for cadaver odour tell me about it.   I've been talking to people for whom cadaver odour cross-contamination is an occupational hazard including undertakers and it's that easy.   One careless moment and it's on your clothes.

That's another thing that niggles me.   Six of the Tapas 9 would have known about cadaver odour from their student days and the Zapata case had hit the headlines only months before so if there were an attempt at a cover-up why not get rid of disposable incriminating evidence immediately?  It makes no sense to me.

Puzzle:-

1. No alert by the dog in the Apartment that the Mccanns moved into after leaving 5A?

2. Alerts in 5A months later ?

3. Toy alerted and then not alerted? clothes not alerted and then alerted after being removed from the same box

4. No blood found by C.S.I?

5. We have no idea who or what stayed in 5A or what may have occurred in 5A after the departure of the McCanns?

5. The car was driven to the inspection area, by police? No substantial alerts in the car
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Yes if it was pre-planned they would have a cadaver eliminator with them.
None of it makes any sense at all.
If the dogs did not alert to the Apt that the McCanns moved into with their clothing, where they must have contaminated the Apt somewhere. (if they had the odour on their clothing).


Edited re- Corrections thanks to Benice

[Anna]

Speaking as someone who works for an undertaker, it is not really that important. The smell isn't bad in human terms.

I am not an undertaker, but I have dealt with many deaths. I always got the smell stuck in my nose though 
 I never gave it a thought that it might affect the job that my husband did at the time, if a cadaver dog was involved. Sorry if that doesn't make sense, but it is as precise as I can be.

[pegasus]

Puzzle:-
1. No alert by the dog in the Apartment that the Mccanns moved into after leaving 5A?
...

The family occupied apartment 4G from 04 May to approx 02 July.
Eddie checked apartment 4G on 31 July, which is about four weeks after the family moved out.
Therefore neither the family's clothing nor the toy nor the vehicle keycard were still present in 4G when Eddie checked it.

[Alfred R Jones]

As far as I'm aware the McCanns have never tried to blame the cadaver alerts on Kate's job. 

[Anna]

As far as I'm aware the McCanns have never tried to blame the cadaver alerts on Kate's job.

Correct she never did say it. It was a propaganda article in PT press, which was copied here in the UK...... A Myth
    Most of these posts came from the thread about other residents in 5A!! So not reinstated, but given another heading.

[ferryman]

Correct she never did say it. It was a propaganda article in PT press, which was copied here in the UK...... A Myth
    Most of these posts came from the thread about other residents in 5A!! So not reinstated, but given another heading.

Gerry McCanns' arguido interview:

During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown where their signalling can be seen regarding indication of cadaver odour and traces of blood also human, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure.
-- After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odour in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact.
--- Also, the dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, he says that he cannot explain this fact.
-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.
--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.

[Anna]

Gerry McCanns' arguido interview:

During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown where their signalling can be seen regarding indication of cadaver odour and traces of blood also human, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure.
-- After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odour in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact.
--- Also, the dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, he says that he cannot explain this fact.


-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.
--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.

The DNA(Maddie's) in the car was another lie, but it seems to be OK to lie about some people and highly unacceptable to criticise others. Also what is the point of research into a thread subject when it is unknown how long it will be there for?.