G McCann - The antihistamine drug Terfenadine and its side effects.

[sadie]

I have answered your question a couple of posts up Sadie

Not to my satisfaction.  You must have the origins of what you state.  Please show us that website, then we can judge if we think it bona fide or not.

[ferryman]

Neither of G McCann's GPs mentioned that they arranged for him to have Terfenadine in their statements but as a named patient basis oly drug, they would be required to declare that they had done.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICHARD_SCHOFIELD.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PH-HU.htm

Both GPs said they had never prescribed any medication that could alter the parents behaviour or demeanour/that could alter the psychological state of them. In this line of questioning why would a GP have to mention prescribing a medicine for hayfever if they are being asked about medicines which could alter the parents psychological state.

Sharp spot, Drummer.

Ally that to Kate's reference to Losec (omeprozole), a completely different drug, and ...

[slartibartfast]

Not to my satisfaction.  You must have the origins of what you state.  Please show us that website, then we can judge if we think it bona fide or not.

It is 6 pages long, if you can't spell then have a look through it.

[Serendipity]

I can find NO reference to this except on A,nti forums which I dont trust, possibly dodgy Wikis or other possibly dodgy websites ... so far

Please name bona fide websites, such as the NHS, which state what you are stating.

No reference to what? and I have posted from bona fide websites, including the NHS.  I fail to see what you are struggling with here Sadie.

In it's simplest terms, Gerry McCann had a drug with him that was only available via import on a named patient basis via a doctor.  That drug was withdrawn as it was causing deaths due to heart arrhythmias.  Neither of his doctors arranged for him to have it.  Where did he get it from and being a cardiologist aware of the risk surely, why did he have it when there were plenty of 2nd generation antihistamines about far safe than Terfenadine.

We never got to see Madeleine's medical data as the request was refused AFAIK but what we do know is that Madeleine had a coloboma which is very often associated with heart problems, as is CHARGE. We also know she had oddly shaped ears, again another symptom of CHARGE. Kate's emphasis on Madeleine's perfect genitals has always been odd for me as again, problem in that area are a symptom of CHARGE.  And then we have Gerry's comment on Crimewatch about her being 'almost' perfect' when she was born. 

A child who possibly already had heart problems finds daddy's dangerous tablets that he should not have had as no-one arranged for him to have them according to his GPs, mistakes them for sweeties and a terrible accident occurs. It is not beyond the realms of possibility.

[Serendipity]

Sharp spot, Drummer.

Ally that to Kate's reference to Losec (omeprozole), a completely different drug, and ...

You must have missed this earlier Ferryman:

Search for Terfenadine in here, you will find that it could affect the users psychological state:

http://www.healthcentral.com/static/pp/pdf_guides/psych65.pdf

Regardless of what either of the doctors was asked, they are duty bound to report any named patient basis medications.  They didn't, so where did Gerry Mccann get them from?

BTW Gerry had Losec and Terfenadine with him or did you miss the reference to it in his (signed by him) Arguido statement?

[ferryman]

You must have missed this earlier Ferryman:

Search for Terfenadine in here, you will find that it could affect the users psychological state:

http://www.healthcentral.com/static/pp/pdf_guides/psych65.pdf

Regardless of what either of the doctors was asked, they are duty bound to report any named patient basis medications.  They didn't, so where did Gerry Mccann get them from?

BTW Gerry had Losec and Terfenadine with him or did you miss the reference to it in his (signed by him) Arguido statement?

The dispute is not about the property of the drug.

The dispute is around evidence that Gerry ever took it or had it with him on that holiday.

At most charitable, the evidence is shaky and unconvincing ...

[Serendipity]

The dispute is not about the property of the drug.

The dispute is around evidence that Gerry ever took it or had it with him on that holiday.

At most charitable, the evidence is shaky and unconvincing ...

How is it shaky and unconvincing?  He signed a statement which contained these facts.  Are you saying that the PJ made it all up pmsl? They knew all about the cardiac issues with Terfenadine and decided to plant it in his statement?  Give me a break lol

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2576.jpg


'When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever.'

He had an interpreter from the British Consulate who would surely have alerted him to anything erroneous in the statement he was about to sign?  He will have read it himself before signing and whilst not understanding the Portuguese he would have surely have recognised the words Losec and Terfenadine and if he had not said that he had them with him, he surely would have kicked up a fuss with his Attorney?

Sheesh, you really are a worried man, aren't you, to even question that he had them with him, when it is all there in black and white lol.

And don't give me any Levy crap again as that is a conspiracy too far off the scale lol.  You can be certain that if there was anything in those published files that was the slightest bit iffy, they would have been whooshed by Carter Ruck a long time ago.

[John]

Thank you for all your sources Serendipity, but I cant find any similar statements in any totally bonafide well respected drug/medical websites.
 

The internet is sodden with reports on the a.nti Mccann forums, but many of us feel that we cannot trust them because so many myths have come from them
 

We all know that we cant trust Wikipedia because they can be easily altered by any Tom, Dick or Harry
 
 
 
Do you have any bona fide reports by any truly reputable agencies such as the NHS ?  Please.

Sadie, this is a myth but I am prepared to overlook your comment on the basis that you are unfamiliar with the way Wikipedia works.  Anything altered in error or by malice on Wikipedia is corrected soon after.  Tom, Dick and Harry included!

My own experience of Wikipedia goes back many years, I have made thousands of contributions to it.  Wikipedia works on the basis of pooled knowledge and almost everything has to be backed up by corroboration.  I would therefore accept what is stated on Wikipedia as being correct in as much as anyone can determine anything is correct.  That said however, I do accept that mistakes can happen even on Wikipedia.

So please lets not knock a valuable resource which is free to all to use.

[ferryman]

How is it shaky and unconvincing?  He signed a statement which contained these facts.  Are you saying that the PJ made it all up pmsl? They knew all about the cardiac issues with Terfenadine and decided to plant it in his statement?  Give me a break lol

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2576.jpg


'When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever.'

He had an interpreter from the British Consulate who would surely have alerted him to anything erroneous in the statement he was about to sign?  He will have read it himself before signing and whilst not understanding the Portuguese he would have surely have recognised the words Losec and Terfenadine and if he had not said that he had them with him, he surely would have kicked up a fuss with his Attorney?

Sheesh, you really are a worried man, aren't you, to even question that he had them with him, when it is all there in black and white lol.

And don't give me any Levy crap again as that is a conspiracy too far off the scale lol.  You can be certain that if there was anything in those published files that was the slightest bit iffy, they would have been whooshed by Carter Ruck a long time ago.

1. Why did Gerry's gp say nothing about prescribing it?

2 Why does Kate say nothing about it at all?

3. Why is reference to drugs  boldened only in Gerry's statement?

4. Why is there reference to a completely different additional drug only in Kate's statement?

[ferryman]

And your point is what exactly?

That this has the paws of fraudster Levy all over it.

[ferryman]

Try re-reading the thread.

[Serendipity]

1. Why did Gerry's gp say nothing about prescribing it?

Maybe because neither of them prescribed it for him on a named patient basis, which begs the question, where did he get it from?

Their GP at the time said that he had never attended Gerry at all.

"I had only consulted Kate McCann once and never had assisted Gerry, nor ever had reason to deal with the twins Sean and Amelie and only saw them once after the disappearance of Madeleine."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICHARD_SCHOFIELD.htm

and their previous GP suggests that he last attended any of the McCann family in 2006

"The last time I saw Kate as a patient was on March 10, 2006."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PH-HU.htm

2 Why does Kate say nothing about it at all?

You'd have to ask her. Maybe she forgot Gerry had them or maybe if Madeleine had taken them thinking they were sweeties, mentioning Terfenadine would be the last thing she would want to draw attention to?

3. Why is reference to drugs  boldened only in Gerry's statement?

No idea, the words are not boldened in the original statement so whoever translated the files before loading must have done so for reason known to them that I am not privy to.  I fail to see anything sinister in bolding some words.

4. Why is there reference to a completely different additional drug only in Kate's statement?

What completely different drug?  Losec (omeprozole)  is mentioned in both their statements as it's the same thing.  In Gerry's he refers to it as Losec, whereas Kate gives it it's full clinical title of Losec (Omeprozole)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

"Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed."

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/digestive-health/medicines/losec.html

and Gerry's

"When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever."

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/digestive-health/medicines/losec.html

PS this thread is about Terfenadine by the way and not Losec

[drummer]

Is a GP  duty bound to report to a police investigation  if a patient is taking a named basis medication or even a normally prescribed drug for hayfever.  I presume the questioning was along the lines of their mental states not their runny noses.

[Serendipity]

Is a GP  duty bound to report to a police investigation  if a patient is taking a named basis medication or even a normally prescribed drug for hayfever.  I presume the questioning was along the lines of their mental states not their runny noses.

Yes, they would both be duty bound to report anything they had prescribed on a named patient basis. Also, given that Terfenadine has been shown to affect a patient's mental state, if prescribed it should have been mentioned on that basis too.

[ferryman]

Yes, they would both be duty bound to report anything they had prescribed on a named patient basis. Also, given that Terfenadine has been shown to affect a patient's mental state, if prescribed it should have been mentioned on that basis too.

Perhaps the reason it is not mentioned is that Gerry never took it?