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Offline Carew

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #195 on: April 18, 2014, 09:37:50 AM »
If the McCanns are still suspects - would SY be keeping them up to date with proceedings and would they have been introduced to the Oporto team?   Not a chance IMO.

You really have no idea whether or what proceedings SY or any other "team" are keeping the McCanns "up to date" with.............or otherwise.


icabodcrane

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Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #196 on: April 18, 2014, 01:02:20 PM »

You do not know what`s going on within the entire investigation........and I bet the McCanns don`t either.

The fact that Scotland Yard dismissed the Jane Tanner sighting whilst the McCanns continue to promote the sighting as significant is a sign that they and Scotland are not  'on the same page'  right now

Like you,  I think it is unlikely that the McCanns are being 'up-dated'  by the Yard in anything other than in the broadest terms  ...  not in a detailed way,  and certainly not on operational matters

Offline Mr Gray

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #197 on: April 18, 2014, 01:06:25 PM »

You do not know what`s going on within the entire investigation........and I bet the McCanns don`t either.

we have seen pretty well all the evidence..we have seen the climbdown by the Portuguese at the archiving report...we have seen Redwood say they are not suspects....I'm confident the mccanns are not involved...no way

ferryman

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Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #198 on: April 18, 2014, 01:20:38 PM »
The fact that Scotland Yard dismissed the Jane Tanner sighting ...

You mean (or you should mean!) that we have seen Jane Tanner vindicated after years of being denigrated and maligned ...

Offline John

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #199 on: April 18, 2014, 01:33:56 PM »
You mean (or you should mean!) that we have seen Jane Tanner vindicated after years of being denigrated and maligned ...

She claimed to have seen an abductor, she was wrong or at least that's what SY infer.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

icabodcrane

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Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #200 on: April 18, 2014, 01:34:22 PM »
You mean (or you should mean!) that we have seen Jane Tanner vindicated after years of being denigrated and maligned ...

No 

I mean that Scotland Yard and the McCanns seem to be at odds with regard to the importance of Jane Tanner's sighting

The Yard say he was almost certainly an innocent father returning from the creche with his two year old daughter,  and do not ask the public for any assistance 

The McCanns  say it is not possible to be certain,  and continue to ask the public  for information on the  Tanner sghting

That looks like being on a different page to me

ferryman

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Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #201 on: April 18, 2014, 02:14:25 PM »
Jane Tanner was vindicated as an honest witness.

But doesn't appear to have seen Madeleine's abductor.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #202 on: April 18, 2014, 02:35:27 PM »
Jane Tanner was vindicated as an honest witness.

But doesn't appear to have seen Madeleine's abductor.

Well JT is mistaken. It's impossible for her to brush past 2 people on a quiet street in her flip flops lol without being noticed.  Any reconstruction you would see the absurdity of it. It can't be done as she said. Jez said it was impossible for him not to notice her passing.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #203 on: April 18, 2014, 02:37:57 PM »
No 

I mean that Scotland Yard and the McCanns seem to be at odds with regard to the importance of Jane Tanner's sighting

The Yard say he was almost certainly an innocent father returning from the creche with his two year old daughter,  and do not ask the public for any assistance 

The McCanns  say it is not possible to be certain,  and continue to ask the public  for information on the  Tanner sghting

That looks like being on a different page to me

DCI Redwood said, “We are almost certain that the man seen by Jane Tanner is not Madeleine's abductor.” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530

I find the use of “almost” to be thought provoking. 
As already stated on numerous occasions DCI Redwood is a man who chooses his words carefully.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #204 on: April 18, 2014, 02:43:39 PM »
No 

I mean that Scotland Yard and the McCanns seem to be at odds with regard to the importance of Jane Tanner's sighting

The Yard say he was almost certainly an innocent father returning from the creche with his two year old daughter,  and do not ask the public for any assistance 

The McCanns  say it is not possible to be certain,  and continue to ask the public  for information on the  Tanner sghting

That looks like being on a different page to me

Doesn't seem a problem to me...when patients have a terminal illness some may explore alternative medicine whilst still carrying on with their normal treatment. Doctors don't mind this...desperate times..desperate measures

ferryman

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Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #205 on: April 18, 2014, 02:50:43 PM »
The status of the sightingin terms of its relevance to Madeleine's abduction is a separate issue.

Jane Tanner was/ is vindicated as an honest witness after years of denigration and traducement. 
« Last Edit: April 18, 2014, 03:10:46 PM by ferryman »

icabodcrane

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Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #206 on: April 18, 2014, 02:51:25 PM »
Doesn't seem a problem to me...when patients have a terminal illness some may explore alternative medicine whilst still carrying on with their normal treatment. Doctors don't mind this...desperate times..desperate measures

Well I think the McCanns asking the public to pass information to Scotland Yard  ...  information which Scotland Yard,  themselves,  did not request  ...  might be seen as interference in the official investigation

More than that,  it gives the impression that the McCanns do not have full confidence in Scotland Yard's ability to run their investigation in the manner they see fit

Shades of McCann V's PJ  in that,  I think

Offline slartibartfast

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2014, 10:29:41 AM »
Could it be because memories are notoriously fallible?

This link is very informative on the subject.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8617945.stm

One little quote from it:-
 
In a crime situation memory is influenced by many factors such as stress, the presence of a weapon and even just the desire to help police solve the crime.

"Police know how fallible the memory can be," says Steve Retford, a former head of the investigative skills unit at GMP and now specialist interviewing adviser with the force.

"They also know this is usually not through mischievousness on the part of the witnesses, but through stress and shock."

Take the case of Jean Charles de Menezes, shot at Stockwell Tube station in 2005 by police who mistook him for a suicide bomber. Eyewitnesses said he had vaulted a ticket barrier when running away from the police. In fact it was later shown by CCTV that Mr Menezes had walked through the barriers, having picked up a free newspaper, and only ran when he saw his train arriving.
End quote

You might ask how on earth someone could get that so very wrong - and yet more than one person did.

This is why I think it's wrong to claim that because there are inconsistencies in description/times etc given in statements by 10 different people  (especially at such a stressful time) - it is proof that lies were being told -when quite clearly they are all displaying perfectly normal human behaviour - when it comes to memory recall.

 

So we have to take everything said by the T9 with a very large pinch of salt. Trouble is, where does that leave us?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Benice

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #208 on: April 22, 2014, 11:03:09 AM »
So we have to take everything said by the T9 with a very large pinch of salt. Trouble is, where does that leave us?

No -  but IMO in order to be fair we do have to accept that inconsistencies in statements do not automatically mean that 'someone is lying' which seems to be a claim being made by some people. 

If their statements all tallied perfectly - then that would be suspicious IMO - as it would suggest collusion.

In the files - inconsistencies appear in statements made by people who were not part of the Tapas 9 - especially when it comes to their recollection of  'times'.   They can't all be right but I don't see any of those people being accused of lying.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?
« Reply #209 on: April 22, 2014, 11:11:26 AM »
So we have to take everything said by the T9 with a very large pinch of salt. Trouble is, where does that leave us?
It is not us that matters Slarti.  'Tis the police, both in PT and in the UK