A look at the paths around Blocks 4 and 5 at Ocean Club Garden.

[John]

A look at the paths around Ocean Club Garden complex.

[pegasus]

"That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they were leaving the residence through the main door, to place the children in the respective crèches, MADELEINE left running to the left, to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they walked down next to the most remote end of one of those blocks, not knowing exactly which one, and the three children got into one of the gardens at the back. Then they walked down the inside alley at the back, next to the hedges, up to the street that led to the secondary reception." (GM)
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So which garden? There are various ways to analyse it.
IMO it must be one of these 11 gardens: 5B 5C 5D 5E 5F 4A 4B 4C 4D 4E 4F.
BTW those are the 11 gardens with gates on the alleyway.
Probably one can rule out 5B and 5D, so then there are 9
Possibly what fits "remote end" best is 4F garden as its gate is nearest to the alleyway termination.

[pegasus]

Photo looking west along culdesac alley on south side of block 4 (with six gardens on right)

[pathfinder73]

Photo looking west along culdesac alley on south side of block 4 (with six gardens on right)

Thanks for the pic Pegasus. Have you got one of the middle path between G5 and G4 looking north towards the car park?

[pegasus]

Thanks for the pic Pegasus. Have you got one of the middle path between G5 and G4 looking north towards the car park?

Here is one looking south from the carpark of block 5.  On left is apartment 5F, on right is apartment 4A (above which BTW is apartment 4G).
But then, as you believe, I'm just a fantasist, I might just have fantasised these photos, or they may just be, "general talk"  8-)(--)
Hope the photo resoulution is good enough 
BTW these excellemt photos are not by me they are by Bud Wichers to whom many thanks are due.

[sadie]

Thank you Bud Wichers and thankyou Pegasus.  Please use the slider to see the whole image.

http://sojo-adventures.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/img_0477.jpg

Interesting that there is a viewpoint from here of part of the Tapas Restaurant. 

[pathfinder73]

Here is one looking south from the carpark of block 5.  On left is apartment 5F, on right is apartment 4A (above which BTW is apartment 4G).
But then, as you believe, I'm just a fantasist, I might just have fantasised these photos, or they may just be, "general talk"  8-)(--)
Hope the photo resoulution is good enough 
BTW these excellemt photos are not by me they are by Bud Wichers to whom many thanks are due.
http://sojo-adventures.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/img_0477.jpg

Thanks for the info. This shot is interesting. Why wouldn't JT use this safer route? Look how wide the path is?

[sadie]

Thanks for the info. This shot is interesting. Why wouldn't JT use this safer route? Look how wide the path is?

She wouldn't use it for two reasons that I can se.  There maybe more that I haven't thought of.

1)  It was rather dark and kinda isolated along the alleyway at night.  especially for a woman

2)  The families wouldn't want to leave an unlocked patio door in that darkness.  Possible burglars?   Remember, the Mccanns patio was unique in that it was well lit from the street lamp

3)  The detour for the front doors of the rest of the tapas wasn't so far as the Mccanns, and it was well lit by their front doors

4)  The Mccanns had to make a much longer detour than the others for their front door.  It was also hidden out of sight and in virtual blackness.  No light for putting the key ion the lock and quite spooky.

Their patio door was well lit, in view and so close.  No sookiness.

  No comparison to the situation of the others.

[pathfinder73]

She wouldn't use it for two reasons that I can se.  There maybe more that I haven't thought of.

1)  It was rather dark and kinda isolated along the alleyway at night.  especially for a woman

2)  The families wouldn't want to leave an unlocked patio door in that darkness.  Possible burglars?   Remember, the Mccanns patio was unique in that it was well lit from the street lamp

3)  The detour for the front doors of the rest of the tapas wasn't so far as the Mccanns, and it was well lit by their front doors

4)  The Mccanns had to make a much longer detour than the others for their front door.  It was also hidden out of sight and in virtual blackness.  No light for putting the key ion the lock and quite spooky.

Their patio door was well lit, in view and so close.  No sookiness.

  No comparison to the situation of the others.

I know she had to gain access to her apartment on the other/north side. How lit that path is would be interesting to know but it's a lot wider that I thought.

[pathfinder73]

Possibly because of this gate being locked? (apartment 5F) You can go though car park. How did Madeleine and the twins run to that garden after leaving 5A if that gate was there?

[sadie]

I know she had to gain access to her apartment on the other/north side. How lit that path is would be interesting to know but it's a lot wider that I thought.

It was a dead end aparantly, altho it was possible to turn north between the two apartment blocks.  Wide at its eastern end, where it met the road,  but much narrower at its western end.

[icabodcrane]

It was a dead end aparantly, altho it was possible to turn north between the two apartment blocks.  Wide at its eastern end, where it met the road,  but much narrower at its western end.

"It was a dead end apparently"

What do you mean by  "apparently"  ?

Either you know that path was a dead end,  or you do not

Please stop presenting information to the forum for which you  have no evidence

[jassi]

"It was a dead end apparently"

What do you mean by  "apparently"  ?

Either you know that path was a dead end,  or you do not

Please stop presenting information to the forum for which you  have no evidence

You want her to take a vow of silence ??    Bliss 

[pegasus]

It was a dead end apparantly...

This photo is looking west, block G4 is on right, yes this part of the alleyway is a dead-end, you can see the wall at the end, although IMO it might be possible to climb over the end wall onto the street beyond which is Rua 1 Maio.

[sadie]

This photo is looking west, block G4 is on right, yes this part of the alleyway is a dead-end, you can see the wall at the end, although IMO it might be possible to climb over the end wall onto the street beyond which is Rua 1 Maio.

Thank you Pegasus.  It is good to have a fair poster on your side.  I also am fair.


For Icabod, I have not walked that path, but I had picked up from Google Earth that the path did NOT exit at the western end.   However, I was being ultra cautious.  I did not want to put out disinformation.


Why dont you try looking at GE Icabod?
 

With the difference in ground levels and the photograph, it appears that when going west it is quite a tall wall blanking it off from Rua 1 Maio, along with a dense hedge.  No doubt possible to climb for the determined  ... but very difficult, imo.

I would have thought it easier to scale from the higher Rua 1 Maio and jump down on to the alleyway, than to climb from the alleyway up to the Rua 1 Maio.



Contrary to all the speculation on this forum, this footpath was not a public highway, it was just the way to the back doors of all the apartments that backed on to it.  As you can see it is unlit, hence the reluctance to use it at night.  You can see the apartment gates in the right hand wall.   

The wall on the left, which is at the northern boundary of the Tapas gardens, is presumably there for a number of reasons, some of which I could list if wished.



The whole area, frontage parking, apartments, this pathway and the Tapas gardens and restuarant etc are one with no public thru way per se. 



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