The forensic examination of apartment 5a was flawed.

[Carana]

The bed linen wasn't kept from 5A. The north door doesn't seem to have been tested for anything, neither was the outside of the bedroom window. The main bedroom, half of the living room, the kitchen and bathroom weren't checked at all. A bit late now for a new forensic sweep, I would have thought.

The only samples that may remain somewhere are the hairs that didn't correspond to the haplotypes of people known to have been in that flat (and 6 of those from the bed went walkies somewhere between when the PJ forensic team photographed them and the PT lab so they weren't even analysed). Even if one of the haplotypes found corresponded to this guy, it would just include him as a possibility, but wouldn't positively identify him.

IFFFF the missing hairs from the bed could be found in a dusty PJ box somewhere, and one or more had roots, then a nuclear DNA test could be done.

(I'm aware that there has been research into extracting nuclear DNA from hair shafts, and on occasion it has been successful, but from what I've read it still seems too hit-and-miss to be commercialised, and requires quite long hairs.)

[Mr Gray]

The bed linen wasn't kept from 5A. The north door doesn't seem to have been tested for anything, neither was the outside of the bedroom window. The main bedroom, half of the living room, the kitchen and bathroom weren't checked at all. A bit late now for a new forensic sweep, I would have thought.

The only samples that may remain somewhere are the hairs that didn't correspond to the haplotypes of people known to have been in that flat (and 6 of those from the bed went walkies somewhere between when the PJ forensic team photographed them and the PT lab so they weren't even analysed). Even if one of the haplotypes found corresponded to this guy, it would just include him as a possibility, but wouldn't positively identify him.

IFFFF the missing hairs from the bed could be found in a dusty PJ box somewhere, and one or more had roots, then a nuclear DNA test could be done.

(I'm aware that there has been research into extracting nuclear DNA from hair shafts, and on occasion it has been successful, but from what I've read it still seems too hit-and-miss to be commercialised, and requires quite long hairs.)

have said many times the reason there is no evidence of the abductor is because the PJ did not do a proper forensic exam of the apartment...SY seem to realise this and that's why they are looking for an abductor

[pegasus]

I've seen a case in the UK and a case in the USA where police go in with an understandable pre-conception which assumes the missing peep is no longer in the residence, so subconsciously that leads to them not searching the residence properly.

[Brietta]

I think the window of opportunity to access any meaningful forensic evidence from 5a was lost when housekeeping were allowed to remove Madeleine’s bedding for laundering and failure to secure 5a as a crime scene.

IMO the initial and subsequent forensic examinations were not only flawed but incompetent in the extreme.

Quote - They moved into a neighbouring flat on May 4, the morning after Madeleine vanished, but the apartment was still not properly sealed.
 
It lay empty for a month but cleaners were allowed inside and it was then rented to holidaymakers until August.

The two-bedroom flat was only permanently sealed off when specialist sniffer dogs were taken inside in August and supposedly detected minute traces of blood and the 'scent of death'.

Their reaction prompted forensics officers to take further samples from the flat, three months after the events they were investigating. - End quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1042924/McCann-apartment-rented-times-police-forensic-testing.html

[Lace]

The bed linen wasn't kept from 5A. The north door doesn't seem to have been tested for anything, neither was the outside of the bedroom window. The main bedroom, half of the living room, the kitchen and bathroom weren't checked at all. A bit late now for a new forensic sweep, I would have thought.

The only samples that may remain somewhere are the hairs that didn't correspond to the haplotypes of people known to have been in that flat (and 6 of those from the bed went walkies somewhere between when the PJ forensic team photographed them and the PT lab so they weren't even analysed). Even if one of the haplotypes found corresponded to this guy, it would just include him as a possibility, but wouldn't positively identify him.

IFFFF the missing hairs from the bed could be found in a dusty PJ box somewhere, and one or more had roots, then a nuclear DNA test could be done.

(I'm aware that there has been research into extracting nuclear DNA from hair shafts, and on occasion it has been successful, but from what I've read it still seems too hit-and-miss to be commercialised, and requires quite long hairs.)

I really beggars belief that these things were not done. 

The bedding in particular.

[John]

I really beggars belief that these things were not done. 

The bedding in particular.

Exactly   

[Carana]

Exactly   

I keep hoping that someone will find the trace of these hairs. What on earth happened to them? They could be crucial, yet have seemingly just vanished and no one seems to question this issue.

They could, of course, end up being hairs belonging to family members or Madeleine herself... but one or more could prove to belong to a someone who had no reason to be shedding hairs on her bed.

There are also numerous hairs found elsewhere in that flat that don't correspond to the haplotype of anyone known to have been there... so who did they belong to?

People still get confused over the hair fragments found in the car months later (which, contrary to Amaral's early assertions, were in fact handed back to the PJ) and the hairs that were taken by the PJ from the flat just after the disappearance and got lost somewhere in Portugal on the way to the PT lab.

[Luz]

The bed linen wasn't kept from 5A. The north door doesn't seem to have been tested for anything, neither was the outside of the bedroom window. The main bedroom, half of the living room, the kitchen and bathroom weren't checked at all. A bit late now for a new forensic sweep, I would have thought.

The only samples that may remain somewhere are the hairs that didn't correspond to the haplotypes of people known to have been in that flat (and 6 of those from the bed went walkies somewhere between when the PJ forensic team photographed them and the PT lab so they weren't even analysed). Even if one of the haplotypes found corresponded to this guy, it would just include him as a possibility, but wouldn't positively identify him.

IFFFF the missing hairs from the bed could be found in a dusty PJ box somewhere, and one or more had roots, then a nuclear DNA test could be done.

(I'm aware that there has been research into extracting nuclear DNA from hair shafts, and on occasion it has been successful, but from what I've read it still seems too hit-and-miss to be commercialised, and requires quite long hairs.)

Your omniscience is admirable.

[Jean-Pierre]

I really beggars belief that these things were not done. 

The bedding in particular.

Its what happens when you employ a wannabe crime thriller writer as a police coordinator. 

[sadie]

The bed linen wasn't kept from 5A. The north door doesn't seem to have been tested for anything, neither was the outside of the bedroom window. The main bedroom, half of the living room, the kitchen and bathroom weren't checked at all. A bit late now for a new forensic sweep, I would have thought.

The only samples that may remain somewhere are the hairs that didn't correspond to the haplotypes of people known to have been in that flat (and 6 of those from the bed went walkies somewhere between when the PJ forensic team photographed them and the PT lab so they weren't even analysed). Even if one of the haplotypes found corresponded to this guy, it would just include him as a possibility, but wouldn't positively identify him.

IFFFF the missing hairs from the bed could be found in a dusty PJ box somewhere, and one or more had roots, then a nuclear DNA test could be done.

(I'm aware that there has been research into extracting nuclear DNA from hair shafts, and on occasion it has been successful, but from what I've read it still seems too hit-and-miss to be commercialised, and requires quite long hairs.)

Does anyone know if Kate and Gerrys bedroom had patio doors?  Cos i think they had ... seems no ventilation to the bedroom otherwise.

No tests done on them either ????



Tbh, I ama bit doubtful about them being used for entry, but they were out of sight behind the 5A garden bush when viewed from the tapas restaurant and not lit by the street lamp, so it is a possibility. 

Also if left the tiniest bit open could create a thru draft that flared the curtains when Kate checked.

[icabodcrane]

Does anyone know if Kate and Gerrys bedroom had patio doors?  Cos i think they had ... seems no ventilation to the bedroom otherwise.

No tests done on them either ????

Why do you  'think'  Kate and Gerry's bedroom had patio doors  ? 

On page 46 of Kate's book a plan of the apartment clearly shows that the McCanns' bedroom had a  window,  and not patio doors

Kate confirms this on page 57 ;

"Gerry had also managed to break the window shutter mechanism in our bedroom shortly after we'd arrived, in spite of the signs asking guests to be gentle with it"


Tbh, I ama bit doubtful about them being used for entry, but they were out of sight behind the 5A garden bush when viewed from the tapas restaurant and not lit by the street lamp, so it is a possibility. 

Also if left the tiniest bit open could create a thru draft that flared the curtains when Kate checked.

[sadie]

Why do you  'think'  Kate and Gerry's bedroom had patio doors  ? 

On page 46 of Kate's book a plan of the apartment clearly shows that the McCanns' bedroom had a  window,  and not patio doors

Kate confirms this on page 57 ;

"Gerry had also managed to break the window shutter mechanism in our bedroom shortly after we'd arrived, in spite of the signs asking guests to be gentle with it"


Tbh, I ama bit doubtful about them being used for entry, but they were out of sight behind the 5A garden bush when viewed from the tapas restaurant and not lit by the street lamp, so it is a possibility. 

Also if left the tiniest bit open could create a thru draft that flared the curtains when Kate checked.

I have searched and it is difficult to find any images from outside because there is thick hedging  immediately in front of the bedroom patio window and then the hedging around the garden.

However this inside view showing floor length curtains slightly parted revealing patio doors.  You can see the patio door lock if you enlarge the image.  The room has to have ventilation, after all.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_22_small1.jpg


In this photo the part at the very right of the photo, with the beginning of the arch above, is Kate and Gerrys bedroom.  It juts out further than the sitting room and has a bit of a terrace, little more than a path, with dense shrubs in front  ... but I think they would have been a little shorter on May 3rd.  The other shrubs are somewhat overgrown also, but on contemporary photos they are shown shorn



http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/notwviewfrompatio.jpg
 

This photograph was taken some time after the abduction because contemporary photographs show all the hedging very recently trimmed.

It is a pity that there doesn't seem to be an accurate plan showing Kate and Gerrys bedroom jutting out at the back with the small terrace, as you see in the above photo.   




This is the PJ floor plan and it is completely incorrect, both in its proportions and in the recesses and jutting out parts of the building, both front and back

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_23_small1.jpg

The plan is a nonsense tbh. and it doesn't even show balconies, steps etc... or position relative to the street.

Such sloppy Police work that they cant get it right.  It makes me upset that inaccurate stuff is put out ... and worse, used in the original investigation




Are you happy now, Icabod?  You keep challenging me ... and you rarely get it right,

[pegasus]

Why do you  'think'  Kate and Gerry's bedroom had patio doors  ? ...

Sadie see "Foto 17" you posted, the south bedroom has full-length patio door, it is two half-doors, hinged not sliding, definitely a door IMO.

[sadie]

Why do you  'think'  Kate and Gerry's bedroom had patio doors  ? 

On page 46 of Kate's book a plan of the apartment clearly shows that the McCanns' bedroom had a  window,  and not patio doors

Kate confirms this on page 57 ;

"Gerry had also managed to break the window shutter mechanism in our bedroom shortly after we'd arrived, in spite of the signs asking guests to be gentle with it"


Tbh, I ama bit doubtful about them being used for entry, but they were out of sight behind the 5A garden bush when viewed from the tapas restaurant and not lit by the street lamp, so it is a possibility. 

Also if left the tiniest bit open could create a thru draft that flared the curtains when Kate checked.

Additional to the other points I made earlier in this thread, showing there was a full length patio door in Kate and Gerrys bedroom.   From Kates book:

“The travel cots we’d requested for Sean and Amelie had been placed in the back bedroom.  As there were full length patio doors here, too, and it was bigger and brighter, we decided to put the three children in the front bedroom, knowing they’d only be using their room to sleep in, and to take this one ourselves.
We removed the cots and shoved the twin beds together.

In the other room we pushed the beds further apart, positioning each against a wall, to make room for the cots, which we placed in between them.”


Page 45 Kate's book

Extract sent to me by an old friend, thankyou. 

Thanks also go to pegasus

[Victoria]

The bed linen wasn't kept from 5A. The north door doesn't seem to have been tested for anything, neither was the outside of the bedroom window. The main bedroom, half of the living room, the kitchen and bathroom weren't checked at all. A bit late now for a new forensic sweep, I would have thought.

The only samples that may remain somewhere are the hairs that didn't correspond to the haplotypes of people known to have been in that flat (and 6 of those from the bed went walkies somewhere between when the PJ forensic team photographed them and the PT lab so they weren't even analysed). Even if one of the haplotypes found corresponded to this guy, it would just include him as a possibility, but wouldn't positively identify him.

IFFFF the missing hairs from the bed could be found in a dusty PJ box somewhere, and one or more had roots, then a nuclear DNA test could be done.

(I'm aware that there has been research into extracting nuclear DNA from hair shafts, and on occasion it has been successful, but from what I've read it still seems too hit-and-miss to be commercialised, and requires quite long hairs.)

Absolutely astonishing isn't it. Seven years on and I still can't believe how pin competent the Portuguese authorities were.