Child prostitution in Spain and Portugal tolerated for far too long?

[John]

I think it worthwhile to put on record that the sexual exploitation of children is something which is not new to certain areas of Spain and Portugal.  This can be divided into two distinct categories, namely, domestic abuse as evidenced by the Casa Pia prosecutions and imported abuse as evidenced by nightly events in many tourist enclaves.

A lot of people don't realise that the area down the Spanish Costa's and into Costa de la Luz and beyond is rife with Russian and South American mafia and Romanians who will sell their own sisters for a few Euro.  These people have a different set of values to us in western Europe and this is sometimes difficult to comprehend.  Stealing and then selling another persons child means little to these individuals.

The authorities in these areas have up until quite recently turned an almost blind eye to the activities which included droves of teenage youngsters from eastern Europe openly soliciting by the side of the road.  It would appear that the need to maintain an active tourist industry was always the determining factor.

Was it little wonder therefore that some saw child abduction as a natural extension of these activities.

[Cariad]

A lot of people don't realise that the area down the Spanish Costa's and into Costa de la Luz and beyond is rife with Russian and South American mafia and Romanians who will sell their own sisters for a few Euro. These people have a different set of values to us in western Europe and this is sometimes difficult to comprehend.  Stealing and then selling another persons child means little to these individuals.

Romanians or Roma? I'm just checking which race you're making that sweeping statement about.

[Angelo222]

Romanians or Roma? I'm just checking which race you're making that sweeping statement about.

Unless my eyes are going wonky like Sadie's were earlier I believe John clearly stated Romanians.  Would you like to dispute what he posted Cariad?

[John]

I was very clear in my earlier post about the activities of Romanian and other mafia criminal groups on the Spanish Costa's.  It is well known by anyone who lives in those areas that Romanian men bring their younger sisters down from Romania on the pretence that they are being educated.  What the parents don't know however is that their education extends to prostitution.

This might be unsavoury for some to read but nevertheless it is true.

I don't believe I mentioned the Roma or Romani in my post but since one member has mentioned them in a report, my personal experience of them in the same region is that many of the women are sent out to pick-pockets innocent tourists.  Two such clowns almost had my paper money in Benalmadena had it not been for my habit of keeping a comb in my pocket.  Thanks btw for reminding me of this episode.  I shouted to nearby shopkeepers who were stood by their shop fronts to phone the police.  None would!

Yet another classic example of locals not wanting to get involved with the police.


PS  I make no apologies for what I posted since it is the truth.

[stephen25000]

I was very clear in my earlier post about the activities of Romanian and other mafia criminal groups on the Spanish Costa's.  It is well known by anyone who lives in those areas that Romanian men bring their younger sisters down from Romania on the pretence that they are being educated.  What the parents don't know however is that their education extends to prostitution.

This might be unsavoury for some to read but nevertheless it is true.

I don't believe I mentioned the Roma or Romani in my post but since one member has mentioned them in a report, my personal experience of them in the same region is that many of the women are sent out to pick-pockets innocent tourists.  Two such clowns almost had my paper money in Benalmadena had it not been for my habit of keeping a comb in my pocket.  Thanks btw for reminding me of this episode.  I shouted to nearby shopkeepers who were stood by their shop fronts to phone the police.  None would!

Yet another classic example of locals not wanting to get involved with the police.


PS  I make no apologies for what I posted since it is the truth.

Unfortunately in writing this post you are tarring all these people with the same brush.

Can you back this up with clear and absolute  facts John ?

[John]

Unfortunately in writing this post you are tarring all these people with the same brush.

Can you back this up with clear and absolute  facts John ?

It wasn't my intention to tar anyone with the same brush.   I merely pointed out what goes on in the Costa's and how young Romanian girls are involved in prostitution overseen by older brothers.

Now back on topic.

[Cariad]

Unless my eyes are going wonky like Sadie's were earlier I believe John clearly stated Romanians.  Would you like to dispute what he posted Cariad?

Selling people is usually something Roma are accused of, hence the question. I Honestly thought John had made a mistake that many people do in confusing the two races.

I'm not disputing what he said. It's in a post for all to read.

I was very clear in my earlier post about the activities of Romanian and other mafia criminal groups on the Spanish Costa's.  It is well known by anyone who lives in those areas that Romanian men bring their younger sisters down from Romania on the pretence that they are being educated.  What the parents don't know however is that their education extends to prostitution.

This might be unsavoury for some to read but nevertheless it is true.

I don't believe I mentioned the Roma or Romani in my post but since one member has mentioned them in a report, my personal experience of them in the same region is that many of the women are sent out to pick-pockets innocent tourists.  Two such clowns almost had my paper money in Benalmadena had it not been for my habit of keeping a comb in my pocket.  Thanks btw for reminding me of this episode.  I shouted to nearby shopkeepers who were stood by their shop fronts to phone the police.  None would!

Yet another classic example of locals not wanting to get involved with the police.


PS  I make no apologies for what I posted since it is the truth.

A white guy broke into my garden once. I assume that he would've tried to get in to the house if the dogs hadn't got to him first. Should I now assume that all white guys are burglars, or is it different cause we share an ethnic origin?

Your comment was racist. You can make as many posts about different nationality mafia and I won't argue. Mafia are criminals, no matter where they come from. Romanians aren't automatically sister sellers. Any sweeping comment that includes an entire race is unacceptable.

[slartibartfast]

Selling people is usually something Roma are accused of, hence the question. I Honestly thought John had made a mistake that many people do in confusing the two races.

I'm not disputing what he said. It's in a post for all to read.

A white guy broke into my garden once. I assume that he would've tried to get in to the house if the dogs hadn't got to him first. Should I now assume that all white guys are burglars, or is it different cause we share an ethnic origin?

Your comment was racist. You can make as many posts about different nationality mafia and I won't argue. Mafia are criminals, no matter where they come from. Romanians aren't automatically sister sellers. Any sweeping comment that includes an entire race is unacceptable.

Agreed.

[John]

Your comment was racist. You can make as many posts about different nationality mafia and I won't argue. Mafia are criminals, no matter where they come from. Romanians aren't automatically sister sellers. Any sweeping comment that includes an entire race is unacceptable.

Maybe you misunderstand so I will repeat.  The underage girls offering prostitution services by the side of the road in many Costa resorts from Dorada to De la Luz and beyond were up until quite recently predominantly of Romanian origin with other eastern European nationalities representing a smaller percentage.  In many cases these youngsters were lured down by older brothers on the pretence of a better education and a higher standard of living than that available in their home countries.  This is NOT a racist comment, this is a simple fact which anyone who has lived in these areas for any length of time can verify.

I know of other cases where former Russian prostitutes were sold as wives to ex pat Brits and go on to live what appears to the outsider to be ordinary lives.  Again, a little insight into what goes on in the Costa's on a regular basis and no-one bats an eyelid.

[Cariad]

Maybe you misunderstand so I will repeat.  The underage girls offering prostitution services by the side of the road in many Costa resorts from Dorada to De la Luz and beyond were up until quite recently predominantly of Romanian origin with other eastern European nationalities representing a smaller percentage.  In many cases these youngsters were lured down by older brothers on the pretence of a better education and a higher standard of living than that available in their home countries.  This is NOT a racist comment, this is a simple fact which anyone who has lived in these areas for any length of time can verify.

I know of other cases where former Russian prostitutes were sold as wives to ex pat Brits and go on to live what appears to the outsider to be ordinary lives.  Again, a little insight into what goes on in the Costa's on a regular basis and no-one bats an eyelid.

No, that isn't a racist comment, though I could argue that highlighting the nationality of these individuals is unnecessary, since the reason behind the acts is the same worldwide, namely poverty and the undervaluing and sexual exploitation of women.

[John]

No, that isn't a racist comment, though I could argue that highlighting the nationality of these individuals is unnecessary, since the reason behind the acts is the same worldwide, namely poverty and the undervaluing and sexual exploitation of women.

I am fully cognisant of the fact that there are many decent and law abiding Romani and Romanians, unfortunately the experience of residents on the eastern and southern Iberian peninsula has been the opposite.  It is worthy of note that every Spanish prison down the east coast of Spain from Barcelona to Marbella is full of eastern Europeans including Russians and those from former Soviet colonies.  The Romanian and Russian Mafia represent a significant proportion of these inmates.

[Mr Gray]

Selling people is usually something Roma are accused of, hence the question. I Honestly thought John had made a mistake that many people do in confusing the two races.

I'm not disputing what he said. It's in a post for all to read.

A white guy broke into my garden once. I assume that he would've tried to get in to the house if the dogs hadn't got to him first. Should I now assume that all white guys are burglars, or is it different cause we share an ethnic origin?

Your comment was racist. You can make as many posts about different nationality mafia and I won't argue. Mafia are criminals, no matter where they come from. Romanians aren't automatically sister sellers. Any sweeping comment that includes an entire race is unacceptable.

John's post is not racist. John has not said that all Romanians are sister sellers. What he is saying is that different races have different values and whilst it would be highly unusual for  a UK citizen to sell their sister unfortunately it is happening too often in the costas involving Romanians. Similarly it seems that in London there is a higher incidence of knife crime amongst young black men.Is that racist? No it's an observation backed up by statistics

[stephen25000]

John's post is not racist. John has not said that all Romanians are sister sellers. What he is saying is that different races have different values and whilst it would be highly unusual for  a UK citizen to sell their sister unfortunately it is happening too often in the costas involving Romanians. Similarly it seems that in London there is a higher incidence of knife crime amongst young black men.Is that racist? No it's an observation backed up by statistics

So davel, if I said the perception of many Europeans into the behaviour of British abroad, often involves the image of drunken thugs, taking drugs and indulging in violence, is not racist either ?

[Mr Gray]

So davel, if I said the perception of many Europeans into the behaviour of British abroad, often involves the image of drunken thugs, taking drugs and indulging in violence, is not racist either ?

Of course that isn't racist.....I think you are referring to the behaviour of young britons abroad not british in general...

[stephen25000]

Of course that isn't racist.....I think you are referring to the behaviour of young britons abroad not british in general...

Yes davel. Quite right.

I will amend what I said.