Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?

[Carana]

It must always be remembered that Robert Murat didn't have his arguido status removed even after the formal questioning of the McCanns. It is also well worth considering why the McCanns became suspects and later why the arguido status was removed.

How could that status have been lifted prior to the formal ruling?

[John]

How could that status have been lifted prior to the formal ruling?

Surely arguido status can be removed at any time if evidence is obtained which justifies it?

[Albertini]

Amaral didnt understand what evidence was ...as the archiving statement confirms..

Can you find a  part of the archiving report which clearly states the investigation was completed fully before deciding there was no evidence against he parents.

You know something opposite to what the archiving report actually says:

In this sense, the legal procedures were followed, according to the norms and conventions that are in force, and the appearance of the witnesses was requested, inviting them to be present inclusively appealing to solidarity with the McCann couple, as it is certain that since the beginning they adhered to that process diligence.
 
Nevertheless, despite national authorities assuming all measures to render their trip to Portugal viable, for unknown motives, after the many doubts that they raised about the necessity and opportunity of their trip were clarified several times, they chose not to attend, which rendered the diligence inviable.
 
We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

[Mr Gray]

Can you find a  part of the archiving report which clearly states the investigation was completed fully before deciding there was no evidence against he parents.

You know something opposite to what the archiving report actually says:

In this sense, the legal procedures were followed, according to the norms and conventions that are in force, and the appearance of the witnesses was requested, inviting them to be present inclusively appealing to solidarity with the McCann couple, as it is certain that since the beginning they adhered to that process diligence.
 
Nevertheless, despite national authorities assuming all measures to render their trip to Portugal viable, for unknown motives, after the many doubts that they raised about the necessity and opportunity of their trip were clarified several times, they chose not to attend, which rendered the diligence inviable.
 
We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

As I have pointed out several times the archiving report dose not say "proved"...more like "confirm".......


secondly you have only quoted  a small part of the report...it says that the evidence that was used to make the mccanns arguidos was basically bo**OX...read it again

[Albertini]

As I have pointed out several times the archiving report dose not say "proved"...more like "confirm".......


secondly you have only quoted  a small part of the report...it says that the evidence that was used to make the mccanns arguidos was basically bo**OX...read it again

I don't need it read it again thanks, as I understand what it means. What I need to do is pull you up on this repetition of yours that the archiving report found no evidence of a crime committed by the McCann's. In continuing to repeat this mantra you cherry pick what little of the report you do understand to suit your agenda and you epically fail to comprehend the parts that don't fit in with your pro McCann beliefs. Furthermore you deliberately choose to omit the following:

1) the investigation was stopped in its tracks by the McCann's and their friends by their failure to take part in the reconstitution.  The investigation therefore was incomplete. It was not finished because the parents of the missing child chose, along with their friends, to refuse to take part and perform a key investigative diligence which would either validate their sworn witness accounts or potentially expose them as liars but either way allow the investigation to continue. So it is actually correct when quoting the archiving report to state that in the opinion of the civil servant who wrote it there was no evidence found against them in a disturbed investigation, and the Arguidos and their friends were directly responsible for the investigation being shelved. Which should actually be raising a red flag about the arguido's and why they would choose to take steps to ensure the end of the only official police investigation looking for their missing child.

2) the archiving report was written by a civil servant and was described by a real judge as an interpretation of the facts, NOT judicial finding. Said judge also described amaral's and the Pj's theory as an equally valid interpretation of the self same facts.

3) Therefore in the Court's eyes the archiving report was simply a different opinion to the Pj's theory and carried no judicial authority.

4) As you already know the self same archiving report states the McCann's failed to demonstrate their innocence. Now based on previous discussions on this matter you clearly do not understand what this means, however it is in there and was written by the same prosecutor, who is a lawyer.

5) whilst you fail to understand what demonstrate their innocence, in the context of the report and investigation, actually means, for those of us who do we recognise that you cannot be "cleared" if you have failed to demonstrate your innocence.

[ferryman]

I don't need it read it again thanks, as I understand what it means. What I need to do is pull you up on this repetition of yours that the archiving report found no evidence of a crime committed by the McCann's. In continuing to repeat this mantra you cherry pick what little of the report you do understand to suit your agenda and you epically fail to comprehend the parts that don't fit in with your pro McCann beliefs. Furthermore you deliberately choose to omit the following:

1) the investigation was stopped in its tracks by the McCann's and their friends by their failure to take part in the reconstitution.  The investigation therefore was incomplete. It was not finished because the parents of the missing child chose, along with their friends, to refuse to take part and perform a key investigative diligence which would either validate their sworn witness accounts or potentially expose them as liars but either way allow the investigation to continue. So it is actually correct when quoting the archiving report to state that in the opinion of the civil servant who wrote it there was no evidence found against them in a disturbed investigation, and the Arguidos and their friends were directly responsible for the investigation being shelved. Which should actually be raising a red flag about the arguido's and why they would choose to take steps to ensure the end of the only official police investigation looking for their missing child.

2) the archiving report was written by a civil servant and was described by a real judge as an interpretation of the facts, NOT judicial finding. Said judge also described amaral's and the Pj's theory as an equally valid interpretation of the self same facts.

3) Therefore in the Court's eyes the archiving report was simply a different opinion to the Pj's theory and carried no judicial authority.

4) As you already know the self same archiving report states the McCann's failed to demonstrate their innocence. Now based on previous discussions on this matter you clearly do not understand what this means, however it is in there and was written by the same prosecutor, who is a lawyer.

5) whilst you fail to understand what demonstrate their innocence, in the context of the report and investigation, actually means, for those of us who do we recognise that you cannot be "cleared" if you have failed to demonstrate your innocence.

Back to the tired, old, discredited mantra of the "reconstitution".

One day, someone in Portugal will have the simple common sense to sideline such pointless and counterproductive practices to the annals of the history books and bygone law reports, where they truly belong.

[Albertini]

Back to the tired, old, discredited mantra of the "reconstitution".

One day, someone in Portugal will have the simple common sense to sideline such pointless and counterproductive practices to the annals of the history books and bygone law reports, where they truly belong.

Haha!! The investigative and judicial Titan that is ferryman has spoken!

Cripes!

[lane99]

Not. Or should I say, knot.

[Albertini]

It takes a special kind of egotism and arrogance for some random internet poster to casually dismiss a whole country's legal and judicial system which has been built up over many centuries.

[ferryman]

It takes a special kind of egotism and arrogance for some random internet poster to casually dismiss a whole country's legal and judicial system which has been built up over many centuries.

The prosecutors in the Madeleine investigation were 80% sound.

The other 20%, well ...

[Albertini]

The prosecutors in the Madeleine investigation were 80% sound.

The other 20%, well ...

Lol, you're doing it again.

[Brietta]

And how many other police authorities who are looking for missing children search cars at their, often vast, borders as a priority ?

If your answer is as before how can you possibly claim the PJ were somehow derelict in their duty by not searching borders if you have no idea what the actual protocol is when a child goes missing ?

In a country sharing a border with another country which is a short drive away, a phone call to alert border patrols that a child was missing should have been done as a matter of course.

Similarly, thought could have been given to alerting the Port Authorities to a missing child.   

Unfortunately there was no-one in the PJ team dealing with Madeleine’s abduction who had training in child protection protocols and it really showed as they broke every rule in the book and criticised those who implemented what should have been done.

The Drs McCann have campaigned for Europe wide systems to be introduced as they are all too well aware of the deficiencies which affected madeleine’s case.
The Amber Alert system will ensure among many other things that all missing children in Europe will be mapped;  it will allow for the quick issuing of cross border alerts when a child goes missing near an EU border; it will allow for easy cross language border alerting, through automatic translation of the missing child poster.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/amber-alert-europe-launches-eu-wide-child-rescue-alert-platform-199326911.html

[faithlilly]

In a country sharing a border with another country which is a short drive away, a phone call to alert border patrols that a child was missing should have been done as a matter of course.

Similarly, thought could have been given to alerting the Port Authorities to a missing child.   

Unfortunately there was no-one in the PJ team dealing with Madeleine’s abduction who had training in child protection protocols and it really showed as they broke every rule in the book and criticised those who implemented what should have been done.

The Drs McCann have campaigned for Europe wide systems to be introduced as they are all too well aware of the deficiencies which affected madeleine’s case.
The Amber Alert system will ensure among many other things that all missing children in Europe will be mapped;  it will allow for the quick issuing of cross border alerts when a child goes missing near an EU border; it will allow for easy cross language border alerting, through automatic translation of the missing child poster.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/amber-alert-europe-launches-eu-wide-child-rescue-alert-platform-199326911.html

So you will be able to show me in which countries were cars searched at border crossings AS A PRIORITY in 2007 when a child went missing.

[John]

* Anyone who thinks for a moment that every border crossing between Portugal and Spain could have been closed and every vehicle checked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, is really living in cloud cuckoo land. It was simply an impossible task.

* The Portuguese searches in and around Praia da Luz were extensive and involved both military and civilian personnel.  It is laughable to compare the efforts by SY over the last few days to those searches in 2007.

* The instructing of outside agents by the Madeleine Fund effectively damaged the official investigation and by extension the search for Madeleine.  Potential witnesses spoke of being harassed, intimidated and alienated by private detectives operating illegally inside Portugal. A lawyer even reported that an attempt was made to coerce him into taking part in a scheme to discredit the coordinating detective in the case. All said and done, a really sad state of affairs.

[Albertini]

WOW ~ I've got it ~ it was the twins wot dunnit, probably phoned madeleine's friends at school to consult if a fridge would be of use for concealment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

I didn't think your credibility could sink any lower, however you have excelled yourself here.

You do also realise the fridge isn't the only theory don't you?  For example a variation of the theory is that the body whilst being transported was put on ice in the car or wrapped in say, a pink blanket, which was wrapped in ice.