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Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #450 on: June 23, 2014, 03:35:36 PM »

No inside parking.  Cars can get like an oven, even at night.

Offline jassi

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #451 on: June 23, 2014, 03:37:53 PM »
Even if the body is in the church, it surely woudn't be left unattended and in the middle of the church hall so anyone can temper with it?

A body would be in the church, not a church hall. The church would be locked  and there only accessible to those with a key.
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Offline Victoria

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #452 on: June 23, 2014, 03:42:47 PM »
And suspicious enough for a neighbour to report the always open boot.

Never happened.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #453 on: June 23, 2014, 03:47:42 PM »
Never happened.

She certainly doesn't appear to have made a statement about the car boot being open.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #454 on: June 23, 2014, 03:50:31 PM »
They didn't move there until 2 july - the reason why it was left open. the neighbour saw that boot open every time she turned the car around so she reported it as being suspicious.

Is this in the accessible files? If so, where? I haven't found any such statement.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #455 on: June 23, 2014, 05:18:39 PM »
She reported it in July but it was it was never followed up at the time so it's not in the files.

"There is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing."

TOTL
This neighbour has signed a document authorising the broadcast of her deposition that identifies her, but fearing threats and pressures, she doesn't show her face.

40.30 – This is an interesting matter, when I left the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, in October 2007, nothing was known about this vehicle, about this issue of the open car boot. We knew that inside the vehicle cadaver odour and bodily fluids had been found, where Madeleine McCann's DNA profile was extracted from, with 15 alleles. Months later, there is a lawyer, who lives nearby, who came to report that after the McCanns arrived at this villa, they saw the car boot open from then on.

41.09 – Witness: "I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it."

See 4.00

« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 05:13:56 AM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #456 on: June 23, 2014, 05:48:32 PM »
She reported it in July but it was it was never followed up at the time so it's not in the files.

"There is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing."

TOTL
This neighbour has signed a document authorising the broadcast of her deposition that identifies her, but fearing threats and pressures, she doesn't show her face.

40.30 – This is an interesting matter, when I left the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, in October 2007, nothing was known about this vehicle, about this issue of the open car boot. We knew that inside the vehicle cadaver odour and bodily fluids had been found, where Madeleine McCann's DNA profile was extracted from, with 15 alleles. Months later, there is a lawyer, who lives nearby, who came to report that after the McCanns arrived at this villa, they saw the car boot open from then on.

41.09 – Witness: "I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it."

And we are supposed to take this as gospel?

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #457 on: June 23, 2014, 06:08:15 PM »
She reported it in July but it was it was never followed up at the time so it's not in the files...
Actually she reported it on some date well after her actual observations.
I assume she reported it after Oct 2nd (or very shortly before Oct 2nd).
But are the log of her contacting PJ and her identity even in the full files available to SY?
That raises the possibility, that the SY team may not even know how to contact this witness for interview?
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 06:24:24 PM by pegasus »

Offline VIXTE

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #458 on: June 23, 2014, 06:47:03 PM »
A body would be in the church, not a church hall. The church would be locked  and there only accessible to those with a key.

So how would someone even with the key know in some part of this church, obviously not in the church hall where they would pray there is a coffin with a body. They would need to go through the church premises to find it, we don't know if it was even locked in a special room for these purposes. I don't agree there are bodies hanging around churches just like that. There must be a special chapel for the bodies to be kept overnight.

Amaral did not say there was a body in the church, in a closed or locked coffin there is a possibility that someone with a key would possibly have an access to this coffin.. No. He said THEY used the coffin to place the child's body explicitly under the feet of the dead body.
A proper policeman would never ever say this with a level of certainty if there is no firm evidence of this being truth.
Have you ever hear any policeman in the world saying something like this? Even if there was an evidence a policeman would provide the evidence to the court, together with the possible theory.
This is the difference between this fantasist and a proper policeman!

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #459 on: June 23, 2014, 11:12:37 PM »
So how would someone even with the key know in some part of this church, obviously not in the church hall where they would pray there is a coffin with a body. They would need to go through the church premises to find it, we don't know if it was even locked in a special room for these purposes. I don't agree there are bodies hanging around churches just like that. There must be a special chapel for the bodies to be kept overnight.



Never argue from a position if ignorance. Coffins are often taken into churches the previous day and positioned in front of the alter. They are then left until the service the following day (the church being locked up obviously).
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #460 on: June 23, 2014, 11:30:49 PM »
You are absolutely correct Slab...

It is a custom in the UK.  Some people prefer the coffin to be at home or in a funeral parlor before hand.

I believe that it is possible for bodies to be placed inside coffins-graves- but I don't think it happened in this case.
The crematoria staff usually open the coffin and check all is ok. (but that depends on laws and customs of any given country).

I don't agree with that thesis.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #461 on: June 24, 2014, 06:28:11 AM »

You certainly wouldn't get away with it in France.  There aren't many Crematoriums, so the coffin often has to cross a commune border.  The coffin is checked before it leaves on it's final journey, and then again before it is cremated.

Offline Victoria

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #462 on: June 24, 2014, 08:47:58 AM »
You certainly wouldn't get away with it in France.  There aren't many Crematoriums, so the coffin often has to cross a commune border.  The coffin is checked before it leaves on it's final journey, and then again before it is cremated.

I don't believe for a moment that the coffin wouldn't be checked again in Portugal either. Which is just another reason Amaral is off his rocker.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #463 on: June 24, 2014, 09:00:52 AM »
I don't believe for a moment that the coffin wouldn't be checked again in Portugal either. Which is just another reason Amaral is off his rocker.

Well, they can't actually check, can they.  Like most of Amaral's mad theories.

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #464 on: June 24, 2014, 10:42:15 AM »
I think that close inspection of Dr Amaral’s theories concerning what happened to Madeleine reveal that they have no substance because they are unworkable in practice. 
That should have been easily determined at the time just by a process of elimination. 

The latest notion regarding a coffin is just the latest ill thought out fantasy which is presented without a shred of evidence to back it up. 
For example the owner of the coffin was not identified nor was a date given when this coffin invasion was perpetrated.  It will however be added to the list of myths as have all the other thoughts which have emanated from the same source. 

Dr Amaral’s theories as outlined in his book, have been tumbled like a house of cards as is proved by the re-opening of Madeleine’s case both in the UK and in Portugal following the same evidence but putting a different interpretation on it.
If his theories had any substance one of two things would have happened following the case review; the Drs McCann and possibly their friends would have been arrested and charged; or there would not have been enough fresh evidence to justify re-opening Madeleine’s case. 

The PJ and the Met are looking at abduction by a stranger.   

The fact that Dr Amaral had to come up with a fresh allegation for what happened to Madeleine serves to show that not even he is not going with some of his original thesis.  The fact that neither the PJ or the Met consider Madeleine’s parents to be persons of interest in her disappearance should also speak volumes to him.

I believe Dr Amaral's theories to be totally incredible.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....