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Offline Carana

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #285 on: May 21, 2014, 08:03:46 PM »
His primary reason was to defend his honour, apparently.

Even if he was peed off with British tabloids, that didn't require insisting that the child is dead and that her parents were involved in order to do so. He could easily have written a best-seller describing the investigation, the challenges and whatnot, and left it open as to what actually happened.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #286 on: May 21, 2014, 08:13:01 PM »
The moral perpesctive doesnt come into it...look at the FACTS...all amarals witnessess have been trying to show that he has not defamed teh mccanns...why is he doing this if he doesnt have to...he obviously does...

yes appeals could go on for 10 years...but does amaral have the money...he has appealed for funds on the net for this session..he is broke..
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stephen25000

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Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #287 on: May 21, 2014, 08:17:22 PM »
The moral perpesctive doesnt come into it...look at the FACTS...all amarals witnessess have been trying to show that he has not defamed teh mccanns...why is he doing this if he doesnt have to...he obviously does...

yes appeals could go on for 10 years...but does amaral have the money...he has appealed for funds on the net for this session..he is broke..

Whilst the mccanns have course have money from their daughter's disappearance.

Nice,

Offline jassi

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #288 on: May 21, 2014, 08:21:54 PM »
Whilst the mccanns have course have money from their daughter's disappearance.

Nice,

They might have money, but what about their quality of life?

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #289 on: May 21, 2014, 08:22:25 PM »
Yes, he certainly appears to be strapped for cash. The sad thing is, if he had just admitted that he had done wrong and said sorry, it would never have come to this. The McCanns aren't malicious people, quite the opposite. They didn't want to destroy him, it's his own spiteful obstinate nature that has ground him into the dust. He's a broken man with a very bleak future.
agreed...and its his own fault

Offline Carana

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #290 on: May 21, 2014, 08:49:47 PM »
The moral perpesctive doesnt come into it...look at the FACTS...all amarals witnessess have been trying to show that he has not defamed teh mccanns...why is he doing this if he doesnt have to...he obviously does...

yes appeals could go on for 10 years...but does amaral have the money...he has appealed for funds on the net for this session..he is broke..

Hm. Well, would you have imagined that Murat could have lost his case (in the initial ruling)?

I'd have to go through the McCann trial again. His main witnesses were supposed to support the idea that his spoutings corresponded to PJ thinking at the time (even though none of the core team seem to have understood very much about quite a few issues, including the DNA results) and that the contents are contained in the publicly available files, weren't they? On the other hand, quite a few of his witnesses stated that they hadn't read the book or watched the documentary  *cough*. I wonder why?





Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #291 on: May 21, 2014, 08:55:28 PM »
Hm. Well, would you have imagined that Murat could have lost his case (in the initial ruling)?

I'd have to go through the McCann trial again. His main witnesses were supposed to support the idea that his spoutings corresponded to PJ thinking at the time (even though none of the core team seem to have understood very much about quite a few issues, including the DNA results) and that the contents are contained in the publicly available files, weren't they? On the other hand, quite a few of his witnesses stated that they hadn't read the book or watched the documentary  *cough*. I wonder why?

so you confirm that his witnesses have been called to support his accusations...strange if as some have claimed he does not have to prove them

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #292 on: May 21, 2014, 09:01:12 PM »
The McCanns will need to prove that they suffered to the tune of £1MM. That is what their witnesses were in court for.

I agree...some sense at last...that will be difficult

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #293 on: May 21, 2014, 09:07:51 PM »
In what way, exactly?   
Even SY are now saying that she may not have left the apartment alive.

but amarals own lawyer has said she may still be alive

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #294 on: May 21, 2014, 09:14:50 PM »
Yes, he certainly appears to be strapped for cash. The sad thing is, if he had just admitted that he had done wrong and said sorry, it would never have come to this. The McCanns aren't malicious people, quite the opposite. They didn't want to destroy him, it's his own spiteful obstinate nature that has ground him into the dust. He's a broken man with a very bleak future.

So you know the McCanns do you?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #295 on: May 21, 2014, 09:17:17 PM »
but amarals own lawyer has said she may still be alive

Which just goes to demonstrate the conflict of opinion this case generates.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #296 on: May 21, 2014, 09:19:36 PM »
Which just goes to demonstrate the conflict of opinion this case generates.


conflict of opinions...no......amarals lawyer is stating fact

stephen25000

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Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #297 on: May 21, 2014, 09:42:20 PM »
first...the mccanns have not profited from maddies disappearance as you have claimed..and therefore it is you who is derailing the thread

Incorrect.

The mccanns were paid for the serialization rights as well.

Now where has all the money gone ?

Offline Carana

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #298 on: May 22, 2014, 10:25:10 AM »
It's not clear whether press laws apply or not. If they do, this may be of interest:

Article 3

Limits

The only limits on freedom of the press are those arising from the Constitution and from the law, in order to safeguard the accuracy and objectivity of information, guarantee people’s rights to uphold their good name, protect the intimacy of citizens’ private life, image and statements and defend the public interest and the democratic order.


http://www.gmcs.pt/en/press-law

Offline Eleanor

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #299 on: May 22, 2014, 11:15:03 AM »
The fund is a limited company and as such a "legal person". The Fund is not suing Dr Amaral and his co-defendants. It is a case brought by individuals. If those individuals were awarded damages it would be up to them how the funds were distributed.

The McCanns have state that the damages will go into The Fund for searching for Madeleine.  Personally, I don't care what they do with it, so long as Amaral doesn't benefit from that wretched book.  But I can't see The McCanns giving up.