Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?

[Carana]

As amaral has accused the mccanns of lying and being criminals I don't think theres much to establish

There wouldn't be in the UK, or even possibly in the US. However... PT seems to be somewhat different.

[Mr Moderator]

As amaral has accused the mccanns of lying and being criminals I don't think theres much to establish

You keep claiming this Davel so do you have some special inside knowledge of this or have you simply failed to add the 'IMO' suffix?

[Alfred R Jones]

You keep claiming this Davel so do you have some special inside knowledge of this or have you simply failed to add the 'IMO' suffix?

Surely the fact that Amaral has called the McCanns liars who have acted criminally is not up for debate? 

[Carana]

You keep claiming this Davel so do you have some special inside knowledge of this or have you simply failed to add the 'IMO' suffix?

Is that in question?

Amaral's conclusion to his book:

The conclusions my team and I have arrived at are the following:

    The minor, Madeleine McCann died inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Vila da Luz, on the night of May 3rd 2007;
    There was simulation of abduction.
    Kate Healy and Gerald McCann were probably involved in the concealment of their daughter’s body.
    The death may have occurred as a result of a tragic accident;
    The evidence proves the parents’ negligence concerning the care and safety of the children.


My question is whether or not such accusations made by a former figure of authority, with clearly little understanding of numerous issues, are considered acceptable in Portugal or not.

[Mr Gray]

You keep claiming this Davel so do you have some special inside knowledge of this or have you simply failed to add the 'IMO' suffix?

This is common knowledge rather than inside knowledge. The book claims Maddie died in the apartment and that the mccanns covered it up...that makes them liars...criminals and with the fund ...  fraudsters...not in my opinion but in amarals opinion

[Eleanor]

wont amaral have very large legal costs...including the mccanns costs to pay......

Yesss.

[stephen25000]

Yesss.

.................and if the mccanns lose, costs on them.

NICE.

[jassi]

Do we really know how costs would be awarded in a Portuguese Court ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Will you please be kind enough to reference the appropriate page numbers in his book where he does this?

You even quoted Carana's post in which Amaral sums up his conclusions, clearly referencing the McCanns supposed deceit and criminal actions!  Why do you need page numbers?

[Alfred R Jones]

To find out whether you have read the book as YOU imply within it Dr Amaral has used the word liar.
So I asked you not Carana to say where the word liar was
Or maybe you are just trapping off ineffectually?

You really are quite fascinated by me aren't you? 
I've read enough of that book to state quite categorically that Amaral portrays the McCanns as liars guilty of at least one criminal act.  I'm not however so well versed in the book that I can quote page numbers, so does that now mean that what I have written is invalid?  Incidentally one does not need to use the actual word "liar" in order to libel someone as liars - strange but true.  If you say "they staged an abduction" then clearly the implication is that they are liars, would you not agree?
Now like I said earlier, surely the fact that Amaral has called the McCanns liars who have acted criminally is not up for debate?

[Mr Moderator]

This is common knowledge rather than inside knowledge. The book claims Maddie died in the apartment and that the mccanns covered it up...that makes them liars...criminals and with the fund ...  fraudsters...not in my opinion but in amarals opinion

Only getting back to this now Davel.  You claimed in your last post that Amaral was wrong in what he states in his book. I asked you if you had some special inside information to justify your own claim.  Have you?

[Mr Moderator]

Surely the fact that Amaral has called the McCanns liars who have acted criminally is not up for debate?

The word 'liar' does not appear in the Amaral book.

[Carana]

I can't comment as to whether the actual word "liar" was used or not as I haven't checked.

However... the title of the book is: "The Truth of the Lie". So, who does he allege is lying?

[Victoria]

I can't comment as to whether the actual word "liar" was used or not as I haven't checked.

However... the title of the book is: "The Truth of the Lie". So, who does he allege is lying?

Yes, exactly. How anyone can claim with a straight face that Amaral doesn't accuse the McCanns of lying is beyond me. You just have to read the title! 

[Carana]

Only in so far as the way you present insinuation as fact.
So you have at least admitted you haven't read the book cover to cover. You now sound like Michael Wright at the trial who implied to the judge he didn't need to read the book to know it was a pack of lies.
Dr Amaral's writings include words like probably ........ So when he says "probably faked an abduction" that is not definitive is it?.
This thread however is about whether the trial is a libel trial or damages trial.Which do you think it is?

A damages trial for what?