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ferryman

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #105 on: May 05, 2014, 08:23:40 PM »
Unless prime suspect Smithman walked a further 100 metres into the sea where do you think they'll start searching?

You mean that wasn't explored before the original enquiry was shelved?

Why ever not?

Offline jassi

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #106 on: May 05, 2014, 08:28:47 PM »
You mean that wasn't explored before the original enquiry was shelved?

Why ever not?

Maybe because the guy who followed on from Amaral didn't think it important.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #107 on: May 05, 2014, 08:31:15 PM »
Maybe because the guy who followed on from Amaral didn't think it important.

yes they had already decided it was the parents and all other leads ignored

ferryman

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #108 on: May 05, 2014, 08:32:12 PM »
Maybe because the guy who followed on from Amaral didn't think it important.

What about Amaral?

Offline jassi

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #109 on: May 05, 2014, 08:38:44 PM »
What about Amaral?

He was removed before he could follow up the Smithman leads.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #110 on: May 05, 2014, 08:59:48 PM »
The other point, of course, is that Scotland Yard appear to be re-discovering the wheel.

Mark Harrison already explored the options of burial and ruled them out:

Report Aim
'This report solely considers the smmh scenario that Madeline McCann
has been murdered and her body is concealed on the beach at PD Luz or
has been put into the sea from the shore.

The report considers the viability of burial on the beach and the likely
movement of a body if it entered the sea. It also considers the likely incident
of such a disposal choice and any local impact factors that make this a more
or less likely event with the aim to inform decisions on any searches.

Praia Da Luz Beach.
In simple terms the beach is in a natural inlet and bounded by cliffs.
The winds are generally from the west and create low energy waves of less
than 2m. This is significant regarding any body disposal scenario from the
shore as the wave energy is not sufficient to "take a body" out to sea. Instead
a body would most likely trave1 eastwards in a re circulating motion along the
shoreline until it was trapped by the rock outcrop to the east of the beach or
consumed by marine life. ti the entry point was the rock outcrop itself to the
east of the beach then the body would most likely continue in a re circulating
motion along the shoreline until it again encountered a bamer to its passage,
the most eastward of this would be 5km away at Ponta Da Piedade near
Lagos.


Sub Surface Burial on P D Luz Beach

For Body Disposal Purposes The Beach Can Be Separated And
Discussed Into 6 Areas.

Figure 2.The boulders in the rock falls are too large
to man handle. Vegetative growth suggests rock
falls have been in situ for some time. The low energy
wave action would not move any of the boulders. It
is possible a small child could be secreted amongst
the rocks in natural voids.

Figure 3.The cliff edge at the base of the beach is at
an angle that inhibits soil removal. The shale re fills
any hole dug and is unsuitable to achieve a burial.

Figure4.At the base of the cliff are wave cuts where
the bedrock has been eroded by wave action. Here
sand can be easily dug but after a few centimetres
the digger reaches the bed rock, preventing a
successful burial.

Figure 5.The beach cusps or berms are mounds of
sand made by wind action. These cusps form at the
limit of the tides reach and would only be recovered
in storm conditions. Digging on the cusps is easy but to achieve as
more than a few centimetres depth is very difficult to
the fine sand granules refill the hole


Figure 6.The dark sand in this image shows the
intertidal area. Here digging and burial could
possibly be achieved although it would be through a
mixture of grave1 and water. However any burial
would be quickly exposed by wave action and
ultimately taken into the sea.


I guess Scotland Yard just don't have much faith in the work of Mark Harrison ...

Offline VIXTE

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #111 on: May 05, 2014, 09:42:53 PM »


I guess Scotland Yard just don't have much faith in the work of Mark Harrison ...

It is more important for this case that the case is actually solved.

Ex personalities of this case such as Harrison or Amaral or whoever are unimportant. They haven't solved the case.


Silkywhiskers

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #112 on: May 05, 2014, 09:55:57 PM »
Despite spending millions of pounds "leaving no stone unturned" apparently the McCanns did just that.

The inquiry has been all over the world now and guess where it's come back to?

PDL...specifically, the BEACH on PDL, where suspicion has long been that Gerry temporarily buried Madeleine while the search was made.


Alfred R Jones

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #113 on: May 05, 2014, 10:03:10 PM »
Despite spending millions of pounds "leaving no stone unturned" apparently the McCanns did just that.

The inquiry has been all over the world now and guess where it's come back to?

PDL...specifically, the BEACH on PDL, where suspicion has long been that Gerry temporarily buried Madeleine while the search was made.
How do you think he achieved that?

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #114 on: May 05, 2014, 11:08:09 PM »
There has been speculation about the Murats driveway, so I think they will start there....
But his entire garden was scanned in 2007 with ground-penetrating radar by a combined UK police and PJ team and the entire property came up completely clean. 

icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #115 on: May 05, 2014, 11:53:46 PM »
For quite a while now we have been led to believe that the  'letters of request'  from Scotland Yard pertained to burglars and such  ...  the impression being given that  questioning of 'suspects'   and their potential arrests were what lay behind them

Are we now being told that what Scotland Yard were  actually  requesting,  through those letters,  was permission to dig up the resort looking for Madeleine's body

Is that what has really been happening  ? 

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #116 on: May 05, 2014, 11:57:37 PM »
For quite a while now we have been led to believe that the  'letters of request'  from Scotland Yard pertained to burglars and such  ...  the impression being given that  questioning of 'suspects'   and their potential arrests were what lay behind them

Are we now being told that what Scotland Yard were  actually  requesting,  through those letters,  was permission to dig up the resort looking for Madeleine's body

Is that what has really been happening  ?

Who knows?

There is a source claiming one thing & a source claiming another.
Christian Brueckner Fan Club

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2014, 12:43:13 AM »
... She went straight up to Porto, almost without doubt ...
Why Porto?

Offline misty

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #118 on: May 06, 2014, 12:45:48 AM »
But his entire garden was scanned in 2007 with ground-penetrating radar by a combined UK police and PJ team and the entire property came up completely clean.
Maybe a body wasn't there at that time. Maybe somebody thought that the cadaver dogs evidence would be enough to gain a conviction without a body. Maybe somebody thought that no-one would ever go back to a property which had been so thoroughly searched. Just a theory!

Offline VIXTE

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #119 on: May 06, 2014, 01:06:22 AM »
I don't think Madeleine ended up in PDL that night. If she did Portuguese search dogs would had found her.